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Sonore by Simple Design microRendu: An Audiophile Odyssey:
Thanks Steve!
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has been that he has tailored his system for best audio reproduction on his audio hardware by a multitude of alterations involving power supplies (obvious to some of us), cables, hubs, vibration isolation gadgets, and software additions to his 'standard' laptop.
This has been the experience of audiophiles over many years, although the number of permutations needed in his computer is such that (optimal SQ as he heard it) cannot be generalised across average and high end systems.
We know the uRendu works well using good PSs and a custom usb interface from the many reviews around. How it interfaces and works with 'any system' then requires detailed attention to others elements of noise, vibration, jitter avoidance, and software etc.
It would be nice if you published a review of YOUR setup and YOUR streamer, computer, DAC, tweak, or whatever in an organized and methodical fashion for our benefit.
nt
...you do not agree with automatically makes the poster a troll?
You requested something which had nothing to do with discussing Merman's post or my comments.
trying to be Mercman. He answers for himself, not via you.
Troll 4
Apropos.Why do you two guys have such an effing hard-on for each other. Let him have the last word, and move on. It's not like you are losing.
Sorry to butt in.
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
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Very nice read. And thanks for the heads up Isaak.
My pleasure..you can thank Dr. Plaskin...he did a nice job!
Good Point.Thanks as always Steve, you've definitely got my attention on the quality of ones choice of LPS as well, I'm currently looking into a Keces DC-116 as I only have two devices which need to be powered in such manner.
Once again, very insightful review as always......
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Why would anyone want their digital music to come over the wifi or ethernet as opposed to a hard disk file or a transport?
The choices (ethernet vs. hard disk file) aren't mutually exclusive. ;-)
Speaking personally, I've found that the best sound in my own system comes from a remote hard disk (in another room), via ethernet to a COMPUTER, to the DAC in my pre-pro (via HDMI), even though I also have a (disc) transport connected directly to the pre-pro. YMMV and all that.
Nothing good gets lost or bad gets added to the signal?
Or is the rendu thingee supposed to solve this problem? In fact, isn't this a bit like the shore battery (guns) that protects the seaplane base that protects the battery?
I've also had some of the music files stored on the local drive, and I assure you that I do not hear any difference at all. By the time one hears the music, the file has been loaded to the local RAM anyway - you're never hearing it directly from the hard drive.
Furthermore, the local drive is solid state, and, at this point, these kinds of drives don't come in the capacities that I need, so I keep my (remote) 4 TB RAID drive in another room, per my previous post on this thread. (I've never used a rendu thingee.) If you're thinking that something gets lost or added, you're thinking in analog terms.
I don't quite get your reference to battery guns and seaplane bases, although redundancy is never a bad thing when it comes to computer files! ;-)
I will certainly take your word for it.Samsung makes a 1TB SSD internal hard drive. See URL.
They also make a 1TB portable.
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they just cost an arm and a leg!
Nah, that's cheap in audiophileland !!
about the same cost as a 1.5M "AQ Diamond" ethernet cable. :)
nt
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Hilarious how you despise the microRendu yet you are on EVERY FREAKIN mRendu thread. Get. A. Life.
I despise you........
And you have very poor reading comprehension as well.... I just wanted a Return Policy and you went Ballistic. I think you need to get over it.
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Boo Hoo..gonna call my therapist, I need a hug. LOL.
Did your $12,000 vinyl rig come with a return policy?
Now blow away black cloud.
What if you use a streaming service and want access to over 25 Million tracks of music?
...... Much cheaper than trying to buy it all and store it on a disk. I listen to streamed music about 95% of the time, even though I have over 4,000 albums in my library.
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Real simple. Hard drives require a COMPUTER, software, and you are at the mercy of O/S updates. Hard drives are nothing but noise producing crap. They, and a computer should be no where near a high end listening room.
An optical transport? Then you will not have access to thousands or 24 bit remasters, or DSD rips.
Real simple. Hard drives require a COMPUTER, software, and you are at the mercy of O/S updates. Hard drives are nothing but noise producing crap. They, and a computer should be no where near a high end listening room.But doesn't your very expensive and well reviewed Aurender W20 and your Antipodes DX Refernce include a computer, software, operating system, and possibly a hard disk within their chassis?
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he says his W20 is configured without any spinning rust . Only the SSD buffer remains. NAS access does require, however, a Mac based application to run the Aurender Media Manager.So, there is the diskless W20, external network storage and a Mac in the mix to make it all work. Prolly sounds just peachy - if not a bit of an overkill config.
But then so was it back in 2001 when HP was using the $57k Burmester 969/970 combo. :)
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But isn't a streamer also a computer?
This has been debated on over 50 threads here I guessing.
Sure it is a "computer" just like your car, fridge, and microwave are.
The good streamers are PURPOSE BUILT and designed for AUDIO by AUDIO engineers.
By the same token, audio software running on a GENERAL PURPOSE COMPUTER (such as, say, HQ Player) is PURPOSE BUILT and designed for AUDIO by AUDIO engineers! ;-)
..running on garbage quality hardware.....:)
The thing we have to remember is that, with digital processing of ANY kind, we're dealing with discrete values (1's and 0's). So when any kind of "noise" (or, if you will, "garbage") gets into the system, it only becomes a problem when it exceeds a (pretty generous) threshold. IOW, additional noise (unless it's a substantial amount) is NOT going to change the value of the bits being processed - this is one of the big advantages of digital and it's the reason that all of our systems today (financial systems, etc.) have converted to digital. It's more accurate and less prone to problems. Moreover, the transmission of digital data just doesn't get corrupted as easily. So I can be using garbage quality hardware, and the data transmission (to my DAC for instance) is still just fine.
I guess you could say that my garbage tolerance is pretty high - as long as the right bits in the right order get through unscathed!
Your view on this is perfectly reasonable. But I believe it is wildly inaccurate. You have fallen into mindset that "digital is digital" wether it is data sent to a printer or a stock trade.
Having worked in recording studios and mastering studios for over 20 years I promise you that audio is a very special case.
The very fact that you can plug in any number of "USB purifiers" (iFI, UpTone, Intona, Wyrd, Schitt, etc) and different USB Cables,and the sound changes, almost always for the better, is proof the tolerance is actually VERY LOW.
More proof positive is these differences are much much smaller with higher end devices.
I have no issue with you taking a different position, I promise you it is better for your nervous system!
. . . is the role of human psychology in audio evaluation. I mean of course such phenomena as expectation bias, group-think, etc.
I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong however, and I do respect your experience in the industry. It's just that the awareness of subtle (or even unsubtle) sound improvement(s) may be more "in the mind" than is commonly acknowledged.
My own background is in music, so I like to flatter myself that I can tell what I'm hearing too. ;-)
"the awareness of subtle (or even unsubtle) sound improvement(s) may be more "in the mind" than is commonly acknowledged."
Very valid point, and I can tell you without question I believe that many "improvements" in sound reported by Audiophiles with highly questionable tweaks and enhancements are in the mind.
I personally don't think hard drives near sensitive gear is a good thing, but if someone sets up a system with drives perched on their hifi rack, it is in no way "wrong", but not what I would do.
but compare sizes and power supplies. :)
And Ethernet sounds better than wifi? So unless your house is wired for Ethernet your screwed?
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Not really. My house isn't wired for Ethernet, but I used a mediabridge as described in the review.
nt
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Thanks Steve,
I was going to wait till I got home to research all that equipment.
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
At least they serve drinks at home.
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Thanks guys.
Nice review Steve!
Glad you have increased the fiber in your network and diet. Sounds better and healthier too. ;)
If people do not to spend allot at first for power supplies for the fibers convertors they can try these, they work well and are a bargain.
Thanks Bob. I checked these out the other day, but have no experience with them. But the price is right!
I use them for my convertors and they work fine and sound allot better that the stock switching wall warts. I have not compared them to more expensive supplies though. I do have a Teradak supply that I could try but have not bothered yet. The end point would probably the most important.
I learned the value of power supplies experimenting using different approaches with my Touch player. A good linear or even strong phone charger quite noticeably cleaned up the sound and lowered the noise floor. I too, use an HD-Plex with mine although I suspected that the Sonore unit at quadruple the investment would likely be superior.
The only part of the review that puts me in a bit of quandary is regarding the ethernet cable. Not only is my computer at great distance from the µRendu, it's on a different floor of the house! The office where the computer is located has built-in shelves so I ran a CAT6 cable up and drilled a hole so that it passes to an attic area above where is spans some distance and enters the listening room. Consequently, it is 60 feet long.
Tell me if I understand your arrangement correctly:
1. One TP-LINK MC200CM Gigabit Media Converter is connected to switch via short ethernet cable. I see NewEgg sells those for about $50 each.
2. The second TP-LINK MC200CM Gigabit Media Converter is located near the µRendu via a run of the Tripp Lite multimode cable (NewEgg sells a 25M run for around $50 as well)
3. Final connection is via another short ethernet cable
If I'm correct, I see that it would run me around $150 plus the two short Ethernet cables to use your arrangement.
Thanks!
Yes, that is correct. There are a number of ways this could be done. I could have isolated the microRendu from my computer with additional converters and get rid of the Netgear switch. Just more noisy SMPS to deal with.
But at the end of the day, things are sounding very nice.
Just more noisy SMPS to deal with.
Fortunately, my Cisco switch doesn't use a wall wart.
Given the differences among ethernet cables, who's to say the same isn't true of optical cables as well? Maybe there are "high end" multi mode fiber patch cables, too. ;)
s
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