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In Reply to: RE: Seems DHCP is the key... posted by pictureguy on July 16, 2016 at 18:32:20
so that the fast WiFi (802.11ac) covers most of the house. Easy to run ethernet cable along the roof of the garage so I can mount the router on the other side of the wall/floor from the living room and get acceptable wifi coverage in the parts of the house that won't have an ethernet jack nearby.
So $10 a month is no big deal for the moment especially for 802.11ac Gigabit Wifi.
Then I can use the slow (802.11n) first generation Apple Airport/Time Machine as a 1 Gig router/switch for the listening room which will be well covered with ethernet except for occasional phone/iPad/laptop that might be used there.
Follow Ups:
You know that all that 'giga' stuff is a scam.
You might be able to get 50 MEG or better to your house. I see AVAILABLE and symetric Up /Down Verizon Fios to 500 meg. That's enough for 20 HD movies at once.
I have a single service of about 20 meg and that is FINE. I can stream HD movies without a buffer or glitch.
What am I going to do with yet More / Faster?
Too much is never enough
Costs HALF what I was paying for DSL at 3Mbps down a couple years ago.
My phone/internet bill is over $90 a month from U-Verse now and the 20Mbps has a monthly cap if you don't if you don't take their movie package which is another $50 a month minimum so we're at $150 and slow internet.
True, very few devices can use more that 100Mbps, in fact I think all of my switches are currently only 10/100.
Plus, if it hadn't been for the installer telling me, I would have never noticed that the phone lines in the house are wired with CAT 5E, so that's worth a few bucks.
Sorry, my 20Mbps will not stream Lossless FLAC using SONOS which has little or no buffer. Nor will it stream ClassicsOnlineHD without starts and stops, long pauses between tracks and that's with a computer hooked to directly to the router via an ethernet cable.
I'd try to figure out WHERE the BottleNeck really is.
On PAPER, 20meg is about 10x what you need for FLAC or ALAC files.
I get VIDEO at that speed which even compressed by the sender uses more bandwidth than music.
And NO pauses for buffering.
Too much is never enough
and try to figure out why U-Verse has speed glitches certain times a day and is intermittent start/stop most of the time or save $40 a month for a service 50X faster with no monthly cap?Tough decision there!
Again, everyone on my block that has U-Verse is making the switch because they are experiencing the same crappy performance and we're saving money as well.
The folks on our street who watch a lot of TV have Comcast with close to 100 Mbps down but they are seeing rate hikes.
I don't have a TV package with U-Verse so it's all upside to me.
Did I mention no monthly cap with SONIC Fiber?
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100 Mbps is for 'bragging rights'. Unless you are running a large online business (with STATIC IP)
or have 10 people living there ALL with their OWN TV and online services, simply NO Need for such thruput.
Now, an arguement can be made for higher speeds going the OTHER WAY. 2 Mbps UPLOAD might not be enough especially for active photographers or somebody who backs up a 200gb hard drive on a regular basis to the 'cloud'.
Too much is never enough
I believe his previous ISP was the bottleneck. ;-)
Sounds like you need a better router. With all of those devices in the house it would benefit you to set some Qos Priorities.Cut-Throat
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But fast is better, no? ;-)
I agree that beyond a certain point going much faster probably doesn't get you a lot. On the other hand, it sounds like his new service is not only fast but provides overall improved quality of service (QoS).
FREE installation and the guy is coming back tomorrow to terminate all of the phone jacks in the house with RJ45 sockets!
True anything over 100 Mbps is likely overkill,
Above is over WiFi to a mid 2011 MacBook Air and the SONIC 802.11ac Router which is in another room from the computer.
But still. CHEAP
Link below: Total bill is $62.50 with taxes, fees and Router rental vs. nearly $100 from ATT U-Vers WITH A MONTHLY USAGE CAP!!!!
...to my part of the country.
We have a sleezy landline company here called CenturyLink (used to be Qwest)... it's the old landline phone company. They run ads on TV with a tag line that goes something like this, "imagine what you can do with 1 Gigabit internet". The only problem is I don't know ANYONE who actually has their so-called 1 Gigabit service because it's available in such a small part of their service area. If I input my location in their website, I'd be lucky to get 7 - 20Mbs at best. But they advertise like 1 Gigabit internet is common around here.
I lived with 3 Mbps DSL for over a decade due to ATT being too cheap to replace the phone lines out here at the beach; phone lines that go back to the late 40's, early 50's.
When the finally replaced the lines I got 6 Mbps while I waited for them to install the U-verse boxes, again the 'Outerlands', as we are called, got U-Verse LAST!!!
For some reason SONIC Fiber did the Outer Sunset first, running fiber down The Great Highway a couple months ago. They are covering the Sunset and Richmond Districts first before moving inland to the areas where the 'Techies' live.
Go figure.
...I'm not on CenturyLink phone company DSL.
I have Comcast cable which is a bit pricey but I'm happy with the reliable 180Mbs or so. Comcast is supposedly one of the most hated companies on the planet but funny how so many people have their service. It's a semi-monopolistic love-hate relationship. ;-)
Because most people rely on them for their Tech Support. I have had Comcast for over 6 years and have never had to call them for a technical reason.
With that said, I hate them because they are a monopoly here, and are free to raise prices much higher than the inflation rate.
I believe that internet access should be treated as a utility, like the Electric and Gas Bill.
Cut-Throat
Faster is OK up to 'bottleneck'. When UHD movies are sent and MINIMALLY compressed, you will NEED 50mb service. Or maybe faster. Perhaps a 15% 'guard band' OVER and ABOVE your greatest anticipated use rate would be advisable. Of course, 'they' compress the heck out of everything and so even so-called HD quality is only marginally better than a good DVD from your home player.
Based on bit-rate of my ALAC files, I'd say to stream them you'd only need 5mb or less. My old 3mb DSL line would probably work.
As for QoS? As long as I have as close to ZERO downtime as technologically possible, the only thing better would be a pleasant voice at the OTHER end of the 'help line phone service'.
Too much is never enough
We have nearly a dozen devices in the house that COULD be communicating via the internet at any given time.
3 computers, 2 cell phones, 2 iPads, 2 SONOS player, a Marantz NA player and a Roku TV.
Likely forgot something. And we're 'OLDS' with no kids in the house.
Streaming Lossless FLAC via QOBUZ using the supplied OS-X player, I can see the track load into the cache as the music plays. Before we got U-Verse we were limited to 6 Mbps due to ancient phone lines out here at Ocean Beach. That was not fast enough to stream Lossless FLAC consistently.
Now?
Seven minute Lossless FLAC track loads in 11 seconds!
Just curious how you stream quobuz if you are in the states-thought that streaming service was not available in the states?
We live a month or two a year in France and I signed up while over there. I pay in Euors using PayPal.
Ahhh:-) any sq differences between tidal and quobuz that you notice if you have compared the two?
where someone posted a link that suggested that the record labels were putting some kind of sonic fingerprint onto the data files they sent to the streaming services and they subject of the link was TIDAL.
I heard such a 'warbling' on one track when playing from TIDAL but surprisingly not when streaming the same track from QOBUZ.
Go figure.
I mostly stream obscure classical stuff, things hard to find on CD, which QOBUZ has the edge on. That said, QOBUZ is close to insolvent and sometimes has certain labels in the catalog and then a week later they do not play. :-(
We must distinguish between good, fast INTERNET connections and your internal (in-house) wiring and system speeds.
You've got a pretty good connection to get a 7 minute track in just seconds. I don't think my outside connection is that fast.
Too much is never enough
I think the point is, he's having a much better overall experience with his new ISP regardless of speed. No dropouts, delays, stutters, etc. One can have incredible speed but other factors can affect performance. My ISP has increased my speed over the years from about 30Mbs, to 80Mbs, 105Mbs, and now about 180Mbs. Dropouts, delays, sluggishness during peak times, etc., have also improved over the years. And I actually take advantage of those higher speeds for large software downloads for work.In the field of computer networking and other packet-switched telecommunication networks, the traffic engineering term [QoS] refers to resource reservation control mechanisms rather than the achieved service quality. Quality of service is the ability to provide different priority to different applications, users, or data flows, or to guarantee a certain level of performance to a data flow. For example, a required bit rate, delay, jitter, packet dropping probability and/or bit error rate may be guaranteed. Quality of service guarantees are important if the network capacity is insufficient, especially for real-time streaming multimedia applications such as voice over IP, online games and IP-TV, since these often require fixed bit rate and are delay sensitive, and in networks where the capacity is a limited resource, for example in cellular data communication.
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And when you start out slow there is not much room for glitches.
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