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I recently installed Daphile and once I got it up and running I was fairly impressed by the sound quality......until I reconnected my DAC to a laptop running Windows 8.1 with Foobar 2000/WASAPI and realized that compared to the Windows system Daphile sounded flat, muffled, and uninvolving.
I tried Audiophile Linux and it was about the same minus the muffled part. I tried Deadbeef and Clementine players. Clementine player seemed to sound a little better and had .cue support. I found tracks that sounded good, but when I switched back to the Windows system I quickly realized that the Linux system wasn't even coming close.
Has anyone else tested or experienced this or maybe even the opposite? If you have had a good audio experience in Linux, how did you do it? Distro, player, audio system(ALSA, OSS, etc.)
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I've had great luck with Daphile, I don't use it as a transport too much anymore but I do use the same operating system as a SMB network drive for my Auralic Aries system.
I'm not sure you'll like linux in the future, it sounds "dark" to me, but definitely not muffled. Which DAC are you using? That is a little strange.
I'm very satisfied with the sound I get from my Linux setup. I believe that keeping it simple is key. I chose to use a very minimal approach.
My hardware consists of a PC Engines ALIX computer. The operating system is Voyage MPD. Voyage MPD is a stripped down Debian linux that's perfect for the ALIX. Its so small that everything necessary to play music loads into RAM. There is no video output on this board (operates headless) and I connect to it via SSH from another computer for programming. When listening to music I use my iPad as a remote control of sorts. My DAC is a Bottlehead DAC designed by John Swenson. I use a moderately priced Supra USB cable between the two. My music sits on a network storage drive and feeds the ALIX via the NFS protocol.
Like I said above I'm very satisfied with this arrangement and listen to it every day. I have friends that have spent 20 times as much as I did on music servers. They might sound a little better but definitely not 20 times better.
As they say, "your mileage may very." Music tastes and sound systems is a personal thing. Digital music is here to stay. And Linux will always be there as one of your options. I will also keep my vinyl rig within reach for when the mood suits me.
think alsa is the limiting factor in linux, needs to be rewritten for sq, but that's never going to happen.
http://mqnplayer.blogspot.co.uk/
Interesting statement.Perhaps you can tell us a little more about your secret knowledge.
You might also offer the Alsa designers a hand for rewriting it.
It'll be a piece of cake for you.Obviously you're grown up in the last 4-5 years.
I'm impressed. Two thumbs up.
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There is no such thing like "Linux Sound".All operating systems, related flavors, software and related settings, HW and your home environment will all cause a different "sound-signature"
The related "noise-floor" and "distortions" will never be equal!!!!!
If you'd just change the OS variable:
If you'd go all the way down to the bottom (maximum tweaking), you'd realize that all these different OS setups come very close.
Linux offers a lower bottom though. You basically "can" tweak everything.
If you do is a different thing.If you still get trapped by "marketing" terms like "Audiophile Linux" it's your problem. If you'd look under the hood, you'd get pretty disappointed
to see of whats'd being offered.
That's even worse on Windows or OSX and related applications, which won't even let you look under the hood.
And exactly that puts them into a position to pull big money out of your "audiophile" pocket.Anyhow:
You won't get around tweaking any of your installations if you look for the best setup.
It doesn't matter if we talk about Windows, OSX or Linux.
The tweaking never ends though. Every HW and/or software change or upgrade can cause a step-back and requires new tuning.
However:
There's a basic rule to keep in mind that applies to pretty much all installations since we're discussing this stuff over here - since about ten years:
The more features, the less top quality sound can be expected.
That applies to HW and SW.
What matters is minimum features at maximum quality.
Software providers who want to be successful (selling licenses) have to deliver features, many features - feature quantity beats sound-quality.
Numerous features go hand in hand with numerous compromises.
And that's another problem in this discussion.Therefore I just build my own OS and own player nowadays.
And every time I get a new DAC or computer or run software upgrades I have to revisit my setup.If you're happy with Windows and you want to keep a PC, stay with it. You'll not be the only one.
Any you'll not be the only one who has to eat what's on the table.("audiophile software")In my case, on my system, neither Windows nor any other "audiophile" OS software have the slightest chance to stay.
You might consider to buy a better DAC which doesn't respond to OS/player setups and different PC HW that much. Makes live much easier.And finally:
I'd rephrase the thread: "Any hope for You to get along with Linux???"
I'd say "NO".
Enjoy. Enjoy your Windows on a PC. Good old times.
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Either that, or you're pretending to not understand what's written. Since my experience mirrors that of OP, I'll try again, in shorter and simpler (generalized) form, assuming we're not talking commercial, purpose-built Linux devices:
- Untweaked Linux sounds worse than untweaked Windows;
- Tweaked Linux sounds worse than tweaked Windows.
Care to offer a reasonable explanation?
That's even worse on Windows or OSX and related applications, which won't even let you look under the hood.
Huh? Define "under the hood". I thought I've been looking under the hood of Mac OS X for years through the Terminal and the default bash command line shell. Mac OS X is based on UNIX and all the familiar commands and utilities live there "under the hood". ;-)
Therefore I just build my own OS and own player nowadays.
You built your own OS? What do you call it ?
And what do you call the player that you built?
What language(s) are they written in and what compiler(s) did you use in their creation?
Did you code in assembly for parts of your OS kernel ? What hardware architecture did you write your OS for?
I think that sometimes differences between OS+player environments depend on driver optimization. In Linux one has a USB Audio v2 driver, whereas in Windows one has a different driver that might be able to talk differently to your hardware.
We at NextHardware.com are measuring the differences between WinXP+Foobar and WTFPlay in bit-perfect playback.
Going back to your question, some people find WTFPlay very good for SQ, although austere as interface. Another good Linux environment is Logitech media Server 7.9 + squeezelite-R2. R2 is a nice extension to squeezelite developed by a NextHardware contributor.
Personally, I use AudioLinux (an "audiophile" ArchLinux distribution) with HQPlayer - they are not free.
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