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In Reply to: RE: Wouldn't a laptop CD do the same thing.... posted by AbeCollins on June 11, 2016 at 07:12:56
within a laptop.
I know I would not use one.
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...during the process of copying a digital file off a CD onto a computer drive, no computer program could ever be installed. The only time you get a bad rip is when the CD is defective or damaged, or the CD drive isn't working correctly. Neither of those situations are due to noise.
Computer noise only becomes an issue when the digital file is being decoded by the DAC for playback of the music. At that point the argument for a standalone player instead of a multipurpose PC makes sense.
"...during the process of copying a digital file off a CD onto a computer drive, no computer program could ever be installed. The only time you get a bad rip is when the CD is defective or damaged, or the CD drive isn't working correctly. Neither of those situations are due to noise."
This is technically incorrect. Computer files have three levels of Reed Solomon error correction on them when burned to a CD-R. Audio files, such as you rip, have only two layers of RS error correction and are much less reliable. It is quite common for there to be the occasional error on a rip, and multiple errors if the disk is damaged in some way. Usually, good ripping software, such as DBPoweramp, correct these errors, but sometimes (a few percent of disks) this proves impossible.
If I were to rip more than a few dozen CDs, I would not use a laptop CD drive, because these are expensive to replace. I would use an internal drive with a tower machine or an external USB drive. (If you are not comfortable working with the internals of a PC, then go with an external drive.) On my Acer tower, swapping the CD drive took less then 10 minutes and required no tools. I had to do this, because the old drive failed after doing many rips.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I fully understand the error correction scheme for data CDs is slightly more robust than for audio CDs, but this has nothing to do with the original point. That is: the internal electronic noise generated by a desktop or laptop has nothing to do with the accuracy of a rip compared to using a dedicated stand-alone ripper.
Likewise, whether or not one elects to use a stand-alone to avoid wear to your PC/laptop drive is a separate issue. It has nothing to do with the accuracy of CD rips.
The combo BluRay drive in my PC using dbPoweramp does a fine job and passes the CRC tests perfectly.
I run standalone players via distantly located music server to minimize noise during playback.
I guess I've learned to come to terms with all this cacophony over the years. Yes. . . it's broken me down so that I'm not even half the man I used to be. Nevertheless, I still applaud the inspiring struggle of the brave listeners who refuse to submit to the laptop's noisy din! ;-)
I've never had a problem with 'noise' or inaccurate rips with the CD drive in my Lenovo PC, CD/DVD in my MacBook Pro laptop, the external Apple USB CD/DVD drive, or my Samsung or LG external USB CD/DVD drives.
But if some folks feel better about using an outboard dedicated ripper I guess that's their business whether there's any technical justification or not.
Not an issue but regardless, you will achieve bit perfect rips using a laptop/PC along with a good ripper like dBpoweramp combined with AccurateRip.
To each his own but your "cacaphony of noise" argument doesn't hold water. You can use an external USB CD drive if you imagine that the internal drive is inadequate.
What dedicated ripper do you use?
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