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Excellent and puts pay to those who can't hear the Regen or iUSB3 at work.
The truth is that attention needs to be paid to power and cable to reveal the true potentials of these devices. They are not stock plug and play devices.
I have the Regen, battery powered, and the iUSB3 with various high quality LPS power supplies.
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my feeling is that you have to look more at something like this ... and related peripherals.
Kind regards,
bg
I own the Intona, Recovery and the Mutec-3 + usb. I first owned multiple Regens with linear power supplies and then the iFi USB3.
Once I heard the Intona I sold the Regens and the iFi usb3.
Then I tried the Mutec-3 +usb and it is by far the best.
At the present, I have the Intona > Recovery > Mutec-3+usb. Fantastic!
Mercman, you need to review the Mutec-3+ usb against all the others.
I found the Intona to be more effective in my setup. Sold my REGEN too. I'm not familiar with the Mutec-3 +USB. How much is it?
Edits: 05/23/16
The Mutec 3+USB is like 1k.
I sold 2 Regens the Itona seems more effective here too on my Yiggy.I know people are using both I hate all this BS addons!
Edits: 05/24/16
The REGEN makes a bit of improvement in my system, a bit more than the Jitterbug which does little or nothing.
I suspect that a better PS on the REGEN might make for some additional improvement, so that's my next step.
The USB > I2S converter inside my DAC is DAC powered not USB powered and that likely makes difference. I may replace the AMANERO board in my DAC with the newly release SINGXER XMOS F-1 card. That will require careful consideration as it will be powered by the USB source so most likely the REGEN with linear PS attached will stay.
Yes DAC/system dependent as always.
The Regen worked very well on my Chord Qute HD when I had it. I also used the "el' Cheapo" PS. UpTone Audio has the new PS but at $398. Things get out of had quickly.
As someone whom has replaced his Regen with an iUSB 3.0 Power, and find everything comes across as more balanced sonically, I can't seem to understand why more isn't mentioned on said iFi Micro or Nano iUSB 3.0 devices..........., and while I'm still awaiting more insight on how the W4S Recovery might compete with the others, I'm riding this out, as to my ears it's some of the best sound I've had in home over the course of the last 7 years.
Yet, I'd like to ask..........., which Intona Review are you referring to?, as Steve's was the last one I spotted, and read between the lines upon what he had to say about said iUSB 3.0 Power being driven by a decent LPS, and concur.
Sorry, I should have said Merman's
No harm, I had assumed as much.
Be well.
O_oh
I have both the Regen and iUSB3. When it comes to a comparison, the Regen sound different with different HQ power supplies but the best is battery power. The supplied solid adaptor is not good and I use a 7 cm Wireworld Starlight that I made up. The iUSB is similarly sensitive to input power but has a somewhat different, mellower sound signature. It is also cable sensitive.
Each to its own.
Hello fmak,
I can respect your ears as well, and while I'm not technically inclined enough to produce my own battery powered supplies, I've invested in a decent enough LPS to which I've used with both units before deciding to part with one, USB cable wise..........., I'm trying to go with the Curious Cable and JCAT Reference USB cables, along with your said WW Starlight 3.0 USB cable and be done with it.
As matters stand, I'm still learning about all of this myself, and am glad that some of you are more opted to share, whereas a few of the guys I've tried to PM questions to, seemingly couldn't be bothered, so once again I'm thankful to those of you whom are willing to share said concepts with others.
I will be reviewing the Wyred 4 Sound Recovery after my review of the Playback Designs Merlot / Syrah / OpBox.
For the hell f it, I had just place the iusb2 in front of the Regen and rather like the sound.
But the Hydra Z via hdmi is even better.
That's wonderful news, as I'm looking forward to how you rank it compared to say say Regen | Intona | iUSB 3.0 Power, as I'm trying my best to recommend these devices to friends of mine whom are new to the whole computer audio thing, much like I was 16 months ago, but they still rely upon my ears in assisting them in assembling a music server, so I'm more then willing to trust in your opinions on said matters more then most.........., after all you've lead me to some very very very nice SR devices which in my system preform quite nicely.........., can you say HFTs | ECTs and UEF Black AC Cords?.
I can............., thanks for your much in depth sharings.
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Nice review, Steve. I just read it.
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"Excellent and puts pay to those who can't hear the Regen or iUSB3 at work."
Seem to recall most folks here think the Itona makes the most difference(improvement?) in SQ, at least when compared to the Regen (with various PS) and other devices like the Jitterbug(does little for me) and iUSB (haven't tried it).
Don't you feel that it is possible for the performance of these 'gadgets' to be somewhat source as well as DAC/Next-Gadget-In-The-Chain dependent?
Is the USB > I2S circuit in the GUSTARD DAC powered from the DAC or the Source?
In the case of the REGEN, if the USB > I2S circuit inside one's DAC is USB powered, wouldn't the PS of the REGEN be more critical to any improvement in SQ that if the USB > I2S circuit obtained its power from a LPS inside the DAC?
...according to this article and screen shots from the Audio Precision analyzer.
"A device implying that it reduces such distortions actually increases them?"
Noise Floor at the DAC output
"The situation is even worse for the Regen!"
Jitter response
"Now lets look at the REGEN"
"Now this is really strange. We now have new distortion spiked in red once we inserted the Regen in the path!!! Again the levels are very low but what the heck? A device implying that it reduces such distortions actually increases them? The Regen uses a USB hub so it is possible that this chip has worse USB performance than one in my laptop."
When I find myself agreeing with fmak, Bob_C, Tony Lauck AND Isaak J. Garvey, all in one thread....
Let's just say that's a painful experience.
I just posted what I read.
According to the lengthy and horrendous thread, the noise only appeared on the output of the DAC when the analog connection from the DAC to the analyzer used unbalanced connection. This proves that the problem was between the DAC and the analyzer or was, in some way, an artifact of the experimental setup.
There is plenty in the thread that demonstrates technical incompetence, not to mention toxic personality.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Not only technical incompetence at the experimental level but also complete incompetence in understanding how asynchronous USB works & attributing this lack of understanding to John Swenson.He states that these are Swenson's two theories behind the operation of the Regen & tries to say that Swenson told him this here where his arrogance is palpable http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?20641-Sonore-s-microrendu-is-out-the-first-audiophile-microcomputer&p=394601&viewfull=1#post394601
{quote}"He had two theories:
1. That a degraded USB signal causes the receiver to ask for retransmission of USB data. Therefore he thought by strengthening the USB signal through a Hub chip, would help. Well, that is not remotely a problem with our short USB connections. Data gets to our USB devices just fine, thank you very much. When I met with John, I asked him how often that was happening and he said it was not because it looks like newer USB silicon does not do this anyway.
2. The general lay notion that less activity is better. I explained to him that a periodic 8 Khz timer event is far more harmful than tons of activity because the former will stick out like a sore thumb in the forum 8 Khz jitter, or reference modulation and hence be more audible. Whereas random activity would just raise the noise floor which published listening tests show to be far, far less audible. Of course, both of these assume that such things are a) improved though his device (which they are not) and b) are passed through by the DAC. Without having measurement equipment he would simply be in the dark with no means of seeing if his theories are right."
{/quote}Anybody who knows the first thing about USB audio would know that asynch USB has no retransmission function & to state this & attribute it to Swenson shows both complete ignorance & extreme arrogance - Swenson does not suffer from such ignorance
His next uninformed target is the MicroRendu which he again fails to show any technical understanding of it's operation
Edits: 06/02/16 06/02/16 06/02/16 06/02/16
"His next uninformed target is the MicroRendu which he again fails to show any technical understanding of it's operation"
And it didn't take long for this embarrassing thread of his on the MicroRendu
http://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurements-of-sonore-microrendu-streamer.577/#post-16699
So many USB filter devices and I don't even have one yet. If anyone is doing a showdown please post it.
that thread over at the W'sBF was like watching an episode of The Outer Limits with a science guy not only narrating but playing the main role.
A self appointed judge, jury and executioner.
^ a showdown with the Mutec MC-3+USB
That is simple meaningless trash created by an internet idiot. Amir has an agenda.
I'm not familiar with the author and just stumbled across the article and posted what I read. What agenda does he have?
That guy is among the most vile heathens I was made aware of on the net. He is pure scum.
Agree and those who repost it verbatim are just adding noise.
Edits: 05/23/16
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