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In Reply to: RE: A bit confused here posted by cfraser on May 17, 2016 at 11:00:11
I am not trying to embarass you, I was hoping you'd fix your installation *now that you know*.
No embarrassment here since it is you who cannot read. Are you confusing me with Enchantment1.6?
Quote what I posted that gave you that impression! Do you understand simple English?
What Triode has done here COULD have been done with the original S/PDIF driver
Fine. Out of the box, it does not. That's the raison d'etre behind EDO!
If you read my post to Enchantment1.6 here, you'll find that the only difficulty I had is when I removed EDOs since she claimed that a Touch would play 24/192 out of the box. Shessh!
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1.6: To me it seems like now the warmth is gone, the bass is lighter, the soundstage a bit compressed and things have lost some life and fun.Estat: As compared with exactly what? Since the SBT will not play 24/192 to what are you comparing?
I see what you're saying ^, but your response was not 100% clear in context.
Why didn't you just say, outright, exactly what you wanted to say, in your first response to my response to you? i.e. that a plain/no-EDO SBT will not play 24/192, so you can't fairly compare 24/192 + EDO. You made a blanket statement, and for some people who can't get 24/192 to work via S/PDIF, they might just think that's the end of it. Plus the mention of potential down-sampling. Just wanted to make sure others knew there were options. Nothing to get excited about here...
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exactly what you wanted to say, in your first response to my response to you?I assumed (incorrectly) that you read the two observations I made in the post to which you referred (where I thought context was clear), i.e.:
" I didn't find a change in sound quality (via my ARC DAC) and now has the ability to actually play 24/192 content although it is downsampled...
Really? All I find is the utility of being able to play 24/192 and output to USB (which I don't use). "
Nothing to get excited about here...
Certainly not. And I'm not convinced that a (stock non-EDO modified) SBT is capable of playing 24/192 content as she continues to aver.
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just that it played period. I was assuming after I learned the SBT doesn't do 192 without modding that it was just down sampling the file to 24/96.But I'm seriously not lying when I'm saying that pre EDO it played entire albums that were 192/24 FLAC as purchased from HDTracks with no hiccup, no pop-ups, no nothing.
Believe me I'm just as curious as to why this SBT plays the files when others don't. But I'm slightly terrified to revert back to no EDO because what if it changes or resets something and then it ends up like yours, or bricks or some such other thing.
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Yeah, gotta agree there, I certainly couldn't get it to work (plain-jane SBT). But as JS said, Logitech *could* have made 24/192 work, it's almost like they intentionally didn't, as if it might compete with a future product? So many questions about Logitech and the whole Squeezebox thing (I did read the stories from some of the devs, from their POVs, not management's).
Even with EDO, I had to be careful as sometimes the Touch wanted to update its FW (like today!, ??). I just don't know what works, afraid to touch anything. I still have all the EDO versions from 0.1, still sometimes use 0.6 (remember all the controversy?, people swore that was the best version).
I found that EDO sounded unimpressive on the SBT. I think it's like the talking dog - just amazing that it talks at all. The EDO USB output is very basic and definitely not async USB. I think the SPDIF output sounds better, but anyway, the SBT is not a high end digital device, sound-quality-wise imho.
I don't have any "high end" digital devices here. I am not one of those people who'd say there's no such thing, but there are many who would. :)Is it as good as even my "best" CDP? No. But very acceptably close, considering the extreme convenience of music accessability. Easily worth the slight sonic compromise to me.
I know others could massively outperform the SBT with their digital gear. Maybe you're one of them. If you've left it behind, I know a good home for one...
I won't bore you with how important the PS is with the SBT, though plenty of others will use perfectly reasonable arguments to suggest it shouldn't/can't matter. For whatever reason, it does. "Cleaning" the AC helps too. Seems like a lot of trouble for a cheap device, but pretend it's not, and use the good stuff from your other gear with the SBT and it's kind of surprising, not just in a talking dog way, but in a "this computer audio is definitely worth some more time if this POS can do *this*" way.
Edit: forgot to say the most important thing, and that is that I am actually *satisfied* with the SBT into a DAC via S/PDIF. So anything better is truly gravy, and is not "necessary" for me. But I am certainly interested in it, who wouldn't be? I have no idea where the "diminishing returns" kicks in for this stuff yet, but I'm not really of the temperament to find out when new stuff is "a bit" better, I need a fairly large leap before I take something that's basically OK out of the rack.
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I updated to the latest LMS build today and while experimenting for this thread, I completely reset the Touch and reloaded EDO anew.
I only have *one* SBT, so I'm wary of screwing with it now, until I get something better (I know, microRendu etc., but no USB DAC, so it become a chicken/egg thing re electronic boxes).
I had lots of trouble when things were more in a flux, early 2013 I guess. I see I removed EDO 0.8 back then, it didn't work for me with whatever SBT FW version and LMS versions were floating around at the time. I do recall I had some definite issue with infighting between LMS/SBT SW/FW versions. One much more recent LMS version also caused some feature I used to fail. If it's all working for you, maybe I should update it all now. Or "if it ain't broke..."
I never got the pop-up that you did. After EDO was installed, husband hacked into the SBT's linux system (he's a software engineer) and you can get bit stream out of the coax or whatever you'd want to call that and it confirmed that 192 was going out, no downsampling. Switched to a 96/24 and coax output read 96, swapped back to a 192 and output again confirmed 192.
Other people have confirmed via their DAC that they are receiving 192 in.
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How did you achieve this "back to back comparison" between using EDO and not using EDO (since that requires a new kernel)?So I was able to listen to the same 24/192 file pretty much back to back.
edit: once you've installed the EDO enhancements, you must do a factory reset to remove those kernel changes.
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As I said, It played fine. Husband interrupted my listening session and dl'd the app and installed it, rebooted... which was fast, about a minute. Then I played the same song I'd been just listening to again. Not quite one right after the other... but close enough.
If he had never googled whatever it was he had searched for where he learned that the SBT doesn't actually do 192/24 unless you have EDO.. I would have remained blissfully unaware of the issue or the app and gone on thinking that I was actually listening to 192/24 since it played the files with no popup or warning or any indication that I wasn't getting full resolution.
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gone on thinking that I was actually listening to 192/24 since it played the files with no popup or warning or any indication that I wasn't getting full resolution.
Two possibilities:
1. The download was not actually 192/24
2. Your Touch is different from mine and that of most in the field.
the digital line out readings off the SBT's linux system all say that it is in fact 192/24 I'm going to go with option 2 and say mine is different for some reason.
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Test that theory by doing what I did today with mine:
1. Reset to factory settings. That's found under advanced settings if I recall correctly. Upon reboot, you'll be prompted to enter language, etc.
2. Play 192/24 content and see what happens
3. Optionally reload EDO app if your magic Touch is successful with #2
As an IT guy, I'm not averse to rebooting or reloading an OS. The only bummer is that you need to remember to change some defaults. Here are those I choose:
1. Set volume control to max
2. Set screen saver to blank after 30 seconds
3. Set player name
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