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In Reply to: RE: RRE: "the sound of the hall before the first note was played"? posted by jkeny on January 24, 2016 at 10:29:20
You are not on the same page. Everyone knows what room/hall ambiance is..even if you know nothing about a music. Two people can have a conversation in several different rooms and they will naturally feel the differences.
What we are talking about his the comical hyperbole of hearing magical ambiance before a note of music is even played in some misguided attempt to illustrate how superior a new technology is. I always felt that if you have to grossly exaggerate, then you are a shill, or worse.
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It might be believable if the original performance was a recording of a live performance. Once can tell a lot about the venue acoustics by listening to "room tone" especially if it is created by individual people. In some live performance recordings one can hear the conductor walk up to the podium, etc...
I'm generally interested more in the musical performance than the recording. Generally speaking, by the time the first three or four notes have been played it is pretty obvious whether the performance and recording are going to be good. (At live concerts at the BSO in the past this might not have been the case, because sometimes the brass players were drunk and if they weren't scored in the first few bars this situation would't be immediately apparent by listening. However, sometimes this condition was apparent visually.)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Of course some of this can be true with "orchestra on the floor" capture it all at once type recordings. 95% of all commercially released recordings are not done this way.
Interestingly, there were a few pop artists who did not like overdubbing, and recorded their vocals with the musicians in the same room. Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presely come to mind.
I have heard Sinatra multi tracks at Capital and on his vocal track you can hear lots of orchestra/band. I think bleed through is part of nature. When musicians play live they don't exist in a sonic vacuum.
"You are not on the same page. Everyone knows what room/hall ambiance is..even if you know nothing about a music. Two people can have a conversation in several different rooms and they will naturally feel the differences." Correct. That's why I wondered what gave rise to your question "Another question might be is what does any of that have to do with musical enjoyment?""What we are talking about his the comical hyperbole of hearing magical ambiance before a note of music is even played in some misguided attempt to illustrate how superior a new technology is. I always felt that if you have to grossly exaggerate, then you are a shill, or worse." So you are not asking about musical enjoyment, then - what you are really complaining about is how someone expresses their enthusiasm for a new auditory experience that they have been exposed to & you haven't?
Maybe you are just ranting as on your other MQA thread - a good rant is good for the constitution - it usually acts a cleansing exercise - has it not had this effect for you?
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"Maybe you are just ranting as on your other MQA thread - a good rant is good for the constitution - it usually acts a cleansing exercise - has it not had this effect for you?"
the first step on the road to hell is internet posters engaging in amateur psychoanalysis in a smug attempt and avoiding the actual topic at hand.
"So you are not asking about musical enjoyment, then - what you are really complaining about is how someone expresses their enthusiasm for a new auditory experience that they have been exposed to & you haven't?"
No.
I see you make DACs. Are you in chomping at the bit to include MQA in your product?
Maybe it would help you if you followed some of the sensible advice you were given at the start "Relax. Post when you've heard it."
Since MQA is being rolled out with a lavish marketing campaign, with audio writers as de facto PR operative..reporting as if Moses being given the tablet to bring down to the bottom of the mountain for the benefit of the unwashed masses, there is no hearing it.
I will ask again, are you going to include MQA in your products for the benefit of your customers if you believe in so strongly?
Yes, the usual shills are being paid, bribed or wined and dined to roll out the prepared propaganda.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"I will ask again, are you going to include MQA in your products for the benefit of your customers if you believe in so strongly?"
I listen to the reports above about MQA & don't try to denigrate them as a knee-jerk reaction - do you call this "believe in so strongly"? I don't
I also don't see that explaining what hall ambience is "believe in so strongly"
I'm interested in hearing what MQA does & how it does it. I'm also interested in what will be measured & what relationships can be established to auditory perception. I'm interested in the effects of temporal blurring & noise modulation on auditory perception. So, in essence, I'm interested in it from a scientific viewpoint
If you are trying to play some commercial card to win a debate - forget it, it's childish, playgound tactics
You're interested but will make no judgement until you hear it. That is all the rest of us are saying.
Alan
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