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In Reply to: RE: Tidal is harmful to artists, and creative content posted by Michael Lavorgna on November 20, 2015 at 14:01:33
Is mostly a very Limited catalog for the music I listen to (Mostly Jazz).. This is compared to Spotify and Deezer. Also the Tidal Search engine has much to be desired. I can't quite remember but I also think that Tidal Subscription was twice as much as Deezer and Spotify.
There are just much better streaming solutions for less money.Cut-Throat
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It is twice as much $$, is it twice as better in sound quality? No its not!
I wouldn't give those bastards a dime they have enough friggin money.
Not from me. My opinion of course.
Welcome to the wonderful world of audio, where spending twice as much money rarely gives you twice the sound.
Oh I agree, been in this for 40 years, Tidal is a pet peeve.
But but but.... Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Google Music (or whatever they call themselves), etc. do not stream 16/44 uncompressed CD quality. Isn't Tidal one of the very few that streams true "CD quality" ?
I have Spotify and Pandora and the content is great but it's no where close to CD quality that I get from my own rips..... I would hope that Tidal is on par or very close.
Deezer Elite is also Lossless, which I use and has a much better catalog than Tidal.... I also use Spotify which is 320 kbps.... I would not bet MY money that I could tell the diff in a blind test. I like the Pluggins for LMS that have been written for Spotify.
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For me, the Tidal catalog is pretty good. I used to be a Spotify user. When Tidal first rolled out, I hung on to Spotify because the Tidal catalog had a lot of holes. But they've been plugging away at it and somewhere around the middle of the year I decided to ditch Spotify because almost everything I look for is on Tidal now.
My only complaint with Tidal is the search. Really, it's bad. A search function that can't handle a single character spelling error is pathetic. They really need to fix that.
But I'm digging the Tidal integration. While Tidal was silently collaborating with several high end companies to integrate their service, including Auralic, Spotify was holding all the manufacturers back while they developed their proprietary solution, Spotify Connect, which IMO turned out to be a dud. Spotify really has their heads in 2012, which in streaming terms makes them a dinosaur. They seem to think they are important enough that users and manufacturers will come to them, and don't seem to appreciate that music steaming services are fungible. For example, expecting people to still use their app. No thanks.
I think I paid about $14.99 for DEEZER ELITE (Lossless FLAC) and $19.99 for TIDAL, same bit depth.
Spotify something like $10 for 320kbps MP3?
Liking ClassicsOnlineHD, forget how much that will be after the free trial period.
Have dropped the DEEZER and Spotify and living with TIDAL, QOBUZ and ClassicsOnlineHD for now.
Clearly ClassicsOnlineHD is a keeper if only because of the 'Advanced Search' feature. Sorry, no Rock-n-Roll. :-(
I got Deezer Elite for about $10 a month, when I signed up for 1 year..... And I still use Spotify... Frankly I can't tell that much difference (If Any) between Spotify and Lossless. I really like Spotify because of the Pluggins written like 'Smart Mix' that serves up new music based on the track I specify.
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Me neither, but PLEASE don't tell anyone!
Because, AUDIOPHILE!
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That's because you use a Squeezebox!
(joke ;-)
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
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Hi Ivan,
I'm curious - as you approach your 33,000th post on Audio Asylum, if you're not an audiophile, what are you?
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
Well possibly to annoy people with a giant cat who has since been retired... ;)
Plus, even in my 7th decade on this earth, I seem to have retained more of my sense of humor that those here fraction of my age. ;-)
Not saying you take yourself too seriously, Michael, but...
Audio isn't a REAL hobby, like say PHOTOGRAPHY, is it?
OK, Ken Rockwell writes about both, so there's that.
I prefer Norman Rockwell.
I'm 60+ and have nearly NO sense of humor. Except the weird stuff I find funny, which does not have a broad audience.
I've been a phtotogrpaher at many levels since I was maybe 10 or 12 years old. Father bought me a camera for a reward after slaving away around the house one summer. It was an Argus C3. And while not interchangeable lens, it was a good picture taker and good learning tool. I started doing my own B&W at the same time.
Audio came by the time I was about 18, going to College, though we always had music in the house. I'm not an equipment changer, either. I can pretty much remember everything I ever owned from my FIRST setup courtesy of Lafayette! I kept the Dual 1209 bought at that time thru the next several itererations.
Too much is never enough
Did Boxing Photography as a hobby and in support of a professional boxing writer here on the west coast in the late 70's.(British Boxing News the last weekly boxing publication).
No more. Still have friends who haven't kicked the habit.
Still have a 135mm f4 Elmar around somewhere, but the single stroke M3 it went with is long gone.
Several adaptors exist for Leica Glass to modern Digital bodies. This is still a great lens, though NO automation. Any serious photographer (like me, for example) would love to have this lens.
Too much is never enough
Of course audio is a real hobby. You've spent over 32,000 posts talking about it ;-)
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
VEEKTOR!
;-)
;-)
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
Which had nothing to do with audio and was mostly about politics. I do miss the outside....And the Green door did not suffice.
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No?
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Ah yes, Only 3,300 posts on audio, give or take. Point taken.
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
I don't know what your talking about, but please inform me. I am running Deezer Elite with Ickstream.
So, what is the "Squeeze2 UPnP bridge" for?
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It is a plugin that you install in Squeezebox server that allows one to connect UPnP based devices to your Squeezebox LMS & world. I am still asking questions about it and researching. But I am hoping, (for Aries) that when you switch over from OpenHome to UPnP with the Aries, = it'll show up as just another Squeezebox device in the Squeezebox IPAD app.
For example, = (different plug-in). The BBC World service went off the air because they changed their streaming method, (forget what it was). So folks in the Squeezebox community wrote a plug-in that you install in LMS that now streams BBC in AAC format.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Apparently so. I have a used Aries on the way and I am going to try running it with LMS.
I am confused as to what function this pluggin provides. Do you have a link to the pluggin that explains it? I have installed quite a few pluggins... Some of the most useful are Triode Spotify and Smartmix
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Link attached.....
You'll see any UPnP enable player as another squeezebox device, just like a SqueezeRadio or SBT.
I don't have the Aries here anymore, so I likely will install this over the Thanksgiving break.
I also don't really need a feel a need to add this plugin until I'm sure it's needed. If I go with Sonore, - it will not be...
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
I completely understand the catalog objection. It's also a very personal thing. As I said, the Tidal catalog works for me.
Tidal costs the same as everyone else unless you opt for their CD-quality service. I have to admit to being surprised that this distinction has not been mentioned since some people are talking about sound quality.
So no, there are not "much better streaming solutions for less money". Unless you think everyone has the exact same taste in music as you ;-)
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
Yes, I opted for CD quality service and Deezer Elite (which is the same quality) is half the price.
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...in the US as far as I know.
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
you can then download an app/player which will allow you to stream DEEZER in Lossless FLAC much like TIDAL and QOBUZ.
At least that's how I mostly used it as the SONOS has little or no cache/buffer so drop outs are frequent when everyone in the neighborhood is either downloading Netflix or porn. :-(
I ordered a Sonos and promptly subscribed to Deezer Elite..... I was then able to access Deezer Elite on my Squeezbox Touch via Ickstream. I sent the Sonos back after trying it out for a couple weeks, but I still have my Deezer Elite Subscription.
There is no doubt in my mind that Deezer Elite will be available to everyone in the States Soon.
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Sure. I hope Deezer Elite does become available, unchained to Sonos, in the US. Competition is good for everyone.
Michael Lavorgna
Editor, AudioStream.com
Edits: 11/20/15
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