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In Reply to: RE: ExaSound and JRiver posted by Bob_C on September 22, 2015 at 11:50:32
Some programs/apps work on some hardware/software environments and not on others. No one has an obligation to support everything and manufacturers decide what they think is best based on technology and marketing factors.
If you disagree, that does not mean there is anything collusive or unethical but you are free to express yourself with your checkbook.
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Kal,
I was not even aware of this and really could not care about exaSound until our resident Ansel Adams brought it up. I put it a new thread because it had nothing to do with the OPs thread.
A manufacture does not have to support anything, and if necessary just say that, no harm no foul.
But when they say things like this...
""""In our view JPlay is an unnecessary layer of processing. We like, use and endorse Windows players like J River Media Center and Foobar. We like them because they give the user control over the sound processing. With these players we can turn on as little or as many features as we need. More importantly, we understand what is going on within the player. JPlay works in magic ways, and therefore we prefer to stay away from it.
Using JPlay with J River Media Center
Here is the official position about JPlay on the J River website:
Jplay is a Hoax
JRiver recommends that you uninstall Jplay. It adds a layer of sound processing that can degrade sound quality, performance, and stability. You will achieve the best sound quality with JRiver alone.""""
They are unethical... Sorry...
Regards
Bob
I do not see anything unethical. I see strong opinions expressed strongly.
"Imprudent", "ill-advised", "not great marketing", or "overreaching"...maybe.
"Unethical"? Nah. Not in the least.
I see an alliance against another trade member. It is uncalled for.
I support everyone's free speech, including yours.
is regarded by you as 'imagination', then it calls into question your own posts, and the motives behind tham.
You see facts where I see statements. Consequently, I see no need to pursue this exchange.
Do you have proof of collusion? Show us.
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There is no alliance, collusion, or conspiracy. These exist only in the minds of the overly imaginative and emotionally charged souls.
you are not capable of understanding a post, do not interrupt.
I read your post correctly and understand what you said. It appears that you are letting your imagination take over all reasonable thought on the topic.
""I do not see anything unethical. I see strong opinions expressed strongly. ""
Well IMO it also depends who you are and your position... stature... status... not always just what you say.
Someone with your reputation and as well respected as yourself I hope would understand that.
JPlay is the real deal, but I do like George's exaSound DACs.
Yes Steve from what I have read they are excellent DACs.
Seems that maybe they just made a bad choice of friends... We have all done this as teenagers... But we are all adults now...
Yes, I also dislike the negative stuff about JPlay.
I see nothing negative about saying one's software product does not need anothers to sound it's best
I see nothing negative about saying one's software product does not need anothers to sound it's best .Agree. But it appears to go beyond that.
When that add-on software causes known compatibility and support issues for a respected DAC maker and another software product, I see nothing wrong with demanding that customers remove it before providing support.
Our tech support department runs into this type of issue frequently enough that they demand certain software that does not adhere to standard programming interfaces to be removed before providing support.
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My response was over simplified. They are not the only ones making that request/demand. For example, aftermarket performance equipment for cars. Use of many add-ons violate the car manufacture's warranty.
Again, I agree with this. I think your take on me is wrong. The only thing I disliked was the referral of JPlay as "magic".
Perhaps so
Of course...
And the weight of the statement varies with who makes it...
"I tell the kids, somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Just don't fight about it. Just try to get better."
Yogi Berra
But... when something is said in public you cannot control who hears it...Subsequently people should think before they speak and possibly realize as a manufacture they need to take a more intelligent stance and not promote or perpetuate negativity.
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People should exercise temperance in their public statements but how they are judged by a wide public is not entirely in their control, especially if there are many with strong feelings on the topic. Some will judge the statements one way and others will have an opposite reaction.Of course, those with negative responses tend to respond with more frequency and volume.
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If limited to that, I agree.
With credit to Mr. Cervantes.
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