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In Reply to: RE: "what I run is Jplay streamer and I can recommend that you try it," posted by Bob_C on September 21, 2015 at 19:40:37
I didn't write it.... I simply referenced it.
Follow Ups:
""I didn't write it.... I simply referenced it.""
LOL So you had nothing real, useful, worthwhile or enlightening to contribute, so you search the web for some meaninglessness BS to crap on a thread.
As I said... You are consistent... Except you forgot the pictures this time... Are you actually a 12 year old mascaraing as an adult???
I'll miss ya...
For what, trying to talk about audio???
We were talking about audio I express my personal opinions of what I use to someone who expressed interest in setting up a advanced system. Here comes the revisionist troll making what is a personal attack, clearly pretty obvious.
It was nothing to do with what we were discussing, just a search of the Internet to find some negative clueless comment from a manufacturer who obviously cannot write a proper driver. All it was was an attack to try to derail a thread and stifle conversation, pretty typical.
Sorry if I was truthful. It is like doctors talking about advanced medicine, and someone keeps jumping in with leeches, we must still use leeches to treat illness, they are the only cure. And of course following up with all the pretty pictures of leeches.
After a while it gets pretty frustrating, and that is why many people have stopped posting here. It is the constant baiting, trolling and derailing of any conversation that might be something new or better or more modern. It gets tiring after a while.
Just to analyze the used-car salesman tactics a bit more… The defense of the search for the negative link was from an "engineering based DAC manufacturer" okay so all the other DAC manufacturers are not engineers…
They must be cooks or plumbers… They have no engineering background right, just the one that made a negative comment about a very popular piece of software that thousands of happy listeners use every day with every DAC imaginable.
Funny...Before the improved new version of Jplay you did not see that manufacturer say a word because they had many happy customers happily using Jplay. But now that there is a problem with a driver instead of fixing the problem they blame the software. Really, does that make a lot of sense…
There isn't a problem with the exaSound driver.The problems occurred AFTER JPlay made changes to THEIR software. Since this is the case, I'd say it's up to JPlay to fix their software.
During the past couple of weeks we received a number of requests to "fix" our 64bit Windows ASIO drivers for use with the JPLAY audio player for Windows. We were surprised because older versions of JPlay worked fine with the exaSound ASIO drivers. We did the necessary troubleshooting and debugging, and we can confidently say that there is nothing wrong with our drivers.
Besides, exaSound's DACs and drivers work fine with a number of other popular players. Since JPlay 'broke compatibility' it's up to them to fix their problem, not exaSound.
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Please educate yourself about the subject before commenting on the subject.
Until then it is best just to laugh...
A driver is an interface... hence... you do not design to fit an interface.
- A driver that worked perfectly fine on the exaSound DAC with JPlay until JPlay updated their software. A driver that adheres to industry standards that also works fine on the exaSound DAC with a multitude of other players (not just JRiver).
The onus is clearly on JPlay to fix their software, not for exaSound to fix their driver.
It's not that complicated unless one lets charged emotions cloud reasonable thinking.
The substance here can be uncovered only by detailed investigation with reference to source code and specifications, plus hands on debugging. Absent this information, it is a "finger pointing" exercise as to who is correct, and pointless to identify one party as the "tail" and the other as the "dog" or, alternatively, one product as the "engine" and the other as the "clutch". I am not one to accept claims that a given product "adheres to industry standards". The fact that it worked fine with a previous version of JPlay has nothing to do with the issue of who is right and who is wrong. (It is even possible that the "industry standard" could be wrong, i.e. ambiguous, and both devices might "adhere" to the standard while not interoperating. It could even be that the operating system is "wrong".)Exasound has every right to say that they do not support their hardware with JPlay. There is nothing wrong with this, and this would be true even if their products interoperated perfectly. To do so, or not to do so is their business decision. It is also JPlay's right to support or not support Exasound products, again a business decision. In both cases the situation might be complicated by prior marketing claims, but we've heard nothing about these.
However, none of this has anything to do with whether it was proper for Exasound to call JPlay a "hoax". Doing this, or supporting such accusations made by others (JRiver) is more than sufficient grounds for me to put them on my "do not buy list" for conducting business in an improper fashion. It's not as if there aren't alternative vendors that I could choose, were I in the market for a new DAC.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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"""However, none of this has anything to do with whether it was proper for Exasound to call JPlay a "hoax". Doing this, or supporting such accusations made by others (JRiver) is more than sufficient grounds for me to put them on my "do not buy list" for conducting business in an improper fashion. It's not as if there aren't alternative vendors that I could choose, were I in the market for a new DAC."""
Very true...
Cannot wast anymore time with such foolishness.
Absolutely... Engine manufactures must design an engine to suite a clutch..
Foolishness indeed.
Cannot wast anymore time with such foolishness.
Lacking a substantive response from you, I would have to agree.
LOL So you had nothing real, useful, worthwhile or enlightening to contribute, so you search the web for some meaninglessness BS to crap on a thread.You may see it as BS but others will see it as a perfectly valid contribution to this thread, not based on my opinion, but that of a highly respected engineering driven DAC designer.
As I said... You are consistent... Except you forgot the pictures this time... Are you actually a 12 year old mascaraing as an adult???
Why do people resort to off topic personal attacks instead of peaceful civil conversation? Why not try discrediting exaSound and what they have to say about JPlay instead of going after me?
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""Why do people resort to off topic personal attacks instead of peaceful civil conversation? Why not try discrediting exaSound and what they have to say about JPlay instead of going after me?""
You need to ask yourself why you do what you do and posts such trolling devices baiting comments to try to derail every thread that does not go your way.
We understand that you enjoy being in a little box of zero change or positive modern thinking that's fine. But not everybody thinks the earth is flat and some people enjoy talking about different things. Do you have to derail every conversation with negativity…
Please explain the point of searching the Internet as you did to post what you did about the broken ExaSound driver? Do you have an ExaSound Dac? Do I have one? Does the original poster have one? Does anyone in the thread have one, discuss one, asked a question about one,… No obviously not it was just for you to derail a conversation.
It was a personal attack because I mentioned that I use Jplay just like many thousands of other people, and are happy listening to music every day. All you want to do is just stifle positive conversation and derail threads.
All I said since the original poster was interested in building a good sounding system, is that he should give it a try and I expressed my personal honest experiences.
You did not do that, you just tried to derail another thread which is what you do very well... you seem to have a great deal of practice.
This place is not enjoyable and it's pretty clear to most people with common sense why. It will be nice if you could control yourself and stick to the topics that you have some personal experience with and not continuously troll and bait people.
You are currently making this place VERY unpleasant.
You obviously have an axe to grind.
I hope Chris will be checking in soon.
""axe to grind.""
Absolutely... It is... trying to talk about computer audio... That is the agenda... That is what people want to do here.
This is the second time today you threatened me today...
Do you have any audio contributions???
Get off your high horse about 'baiting comments' and personal attacks.From the top:
First off, please do not buy a MAC. It is actually just not a good idea. Many with sense have moved on... "
Grow a thicker skin or look in the mirror.
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