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In Reply to: RE: Thanks but...... posted by Sordidman on July 23, 2015 at 10:21:56
Most reasonable readers wouldn't see my original post as contentious at all. It's factual, backed by an example, not demeaning in any way, and a topic of conversation for computers and music appliances.
Except for a couple inmates who for whatever reason went ape crazy and lost their minds over it, I thought my post and responses by others were pretty civil and benign.
If you don't agree with my post, make a decent argument against it as others have. But please don't go around accusing me of being contentious or a troll just because you don't agree with what I said.
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> "Most reasonable readers wouldn't see my original post as contentious at all. It's factual, backed by an example, not demeaning in any way, and a topic of conversation for computers and music appliances."
Abe, I saw the OP, and was about to respond to it when the screen came up, "post deleted by AbeC." I figured you had thought better of it and deleted it, because very few people like to dance on other peoples misery.
Then I saw it pop back up 30 mins later. I guess TL posted a response before the deletion finalized? Damn computers! Better luck next time.
A bigger man might have tried to reel it back in as best he could. Nope, you have buffalo'd all day. For two days in fact.
BTW, your original statement is a Truism. Like; if you save money everyday, and do it for many years, then one day you will have a lot of money. Wisdom for the ages don't you think?
You drive a BMW right? Then I'm sure you know what it's like to be at the mercy of the dealership's service dept.
Not trying to be too hard on you. There are many ways to save face.
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
It's the threads like this that establish new friendships, and solidify the old ones.
Oh, and if you repeat "there was nothing contentious..." enough times, you may make yourself believe that it is indeed the truth. Don't think it works for others though, looking at the results of that innocent, non-contentious post.
I though this might be helpful...
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Yes I posted, deleted, reworded, then reposted. Nothing tricky or underhanded.
Have I said something untrue or 'contentious' to warrant the crazy behavior by a couple inmates who seem to have lost their minds?
If you read and understood my post, your BMW analogy doesn't quite fit, IMHO.
If you reposted then it's my mistake, and I'm sorry if I speculated otherwise.
> "Read the sorry Sony thread linked below."
Woeways us ES owners. We got it rough. Now back to the beautiful music.
I have no idea what "post and delete" is, or why anybody would want to do it, or what is to be gained by it. Have you ever heard of it?
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
There is a peculiar dance afforded by this particular and unique forum software, called "post and delete". After you have been around for a few years you will learn how to deal with this. Sometimes this is intentional on the part of the poster/deleter, sometimes not.
One other thing to be concerned about is that sometimes entire threads or sub-threads are 86'ed. This follows from the software capabilities provided to the moderators. Sometimes a highly creative and innocent post gets deleted as a result of "collateral damage" when the moderator felt he had to delete a particularly offensive post. (With experience, you will learn how and when to make your own personal archive of interesting threads where this is likely.)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Thanks for the heads up.
I'm new, but I have caught on to some of the more obvious tricky tricks. It's funny but strange that people pull them.
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Fair enough.....
I just read through your OP. You're right, - you used the word "server" throughout...
You seemed to imply and extrapolate too far out beyond the one example of the Sony. (But, you definitely referred to Servers only, not network file players).
So it's my bad for extrapolating your point about servers to network file players.
Other folks, as well as I, did make the point that few people are going to touch the hardware, the manufacturer can send updates, and sometimes log into the unit remotely, and people do sometimes have a ton of trouble with their software on their PCs.
But largely the hardware was out of scope from what you said in the OP, my bad, sorry.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
In the context of audio play-back, what's the difference between a 'server' and a 'network file player'?
And is an 'appliance' something I really want to have in my audio chain?
.... between your you-know-what, and your elbow.
In the sense, that you wouldn't know any, as hard as you might try.
As i understand it...Music Servers are more all in one units. They're more likely to have a more typical multi-purpose mainboard, a hard drive, video card, as well as the playback software & (often) a display. Some of them have amps and DACs built in as well, - like the Sonos or Olive.
As opposed to network file players, which typically do not have hard drives, - (one can turn the Bryston & the Aurender N100 into servers by installing HDs, but they don't start out that way), - but have playback software that loads files from an external hard drive, a NAS drive via ethernet, or streams over the Internet.
The SBT, Sonore, Bel Canto, Sim Audio Mind, & Aurilic Aries are network file players.
One can also install LMS, (and of course other software), on a NAS drive connected, - (most typically), - via ethernet, - and that is sometimes also called a server: {but I would hazard that folks just refer to it as a NAS drive, cause more and more people are using NAS for multiple media}.
I don't see much of an issue with the above, and believe that is how those terms are widely used. A "server" stores the files, the player plays them.
I have always been critical of music servers & all-in-one devices, not only for the price, inflexibility in sharing out the files, but for the maintenance reasons that Abe cited in his OP.
I was confused at one point, (maybe by other posts than Abe's main one above), where I thought that the word "appliance" was used to mean a network file player and not a "server."
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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In other words...
As I have a SONOS and a Marantz NA-7004.
Neither of which I'd call more than mid-fi sources.
NA-7004 supports AirPlay, so there's that.
SONOS streams QOBUZ if you tell it you live in Europe.
In addition to the units being all-in-one, (again as it's termed Music Server), the internal HD is a requirement.
In IT Infrastructure I've heard the term "network appliance" used in reference to a NAS drive.
If Abe would've said Server instead of appliance in the title of his post, - I wouldn't have confused it with network file player like the Aries.
I can understand why some high end manufacturers would want to provide an easy all-in-one box that the customer can even ship their CDs to and have the manufacturer load them up for them and ship them back their 1 box solution. A solution like that has never been right for me. People who load all of their music onto their commercial computer's internal HD have built themselves a music server.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
and I don't, I'd likely prefer a stand-alone NAS drive, preferably with some form of RAID configuration that would assure everything is safe and even then, perhaps some off line backup system that only backs up the NAS whenever new stuff is loaded?
A one box solution makes no sense for me as most of my listening today is not even in the main system but streaming Lossless FLAC over the internet to headphones in my easy chair or in the office.
That and spinning vinyl.
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