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In Reply to: RE: Roon Review posted by Mercman on July 03, 2015 at 11:36:16
I appreciate the effort in the overview.
But Roon is DOA. Sorry, that is my take. Forcing hardware manufacturers to conform to their standards is not going to fly.
The pricing is going to be a deal killer for most.
I think there is a lot of hype here and as computers fade from the scene so will Roon unless they make it easy for manufacturers to implement compatibility. If it can't be used with something like a Squeezebox, Sonos, or even an Auralic Aries...it's going to die.
Meridian and related technologies have a horrendous history in digital.
They invested in DVD-A technology which died a death. They invested in "apozidizing" filers when CD players took a dive, and now they have this over hyped MQA..soon to be buried too.
Follow Ups:
Roon is working with manufacturers. Will they be successful? Only Lucy knows and she won't tell me.
Roon is not part of Meridian. Their former Sooloos was purchased by Meridian, but these guys ultimately separated and started Roon.
It's nice to have choices and see new ideas.
It takes more than a bit of arrogance, which they clearly have shown, to bring a half baked concept to market.
I am well aware that Roon is not part of Meridian, but Roon sure looks amazingly a lot like Sooloos, and the Roon speaker concept is right out of the Meridian playbook.
Of course it is nice to have choices, but it will never live up to the hype.
Throw this in with press cheerleaded, never going to happen "DSD Revolution".
I am well aware that Roon is not part of Meridian, but Roon sure looks amazingly a lot like Sooloos
Small wonder as Meridian stopped the development of Sooloos and these guys are the ones behind the Sooloos.
The Well Tempered Computer
"It takes more than a bit of arrogance, which they clearly have shown, to bring a half baked concept to market."
You love to make ridiculous claims.
"It takes more than a bit of arrogance, which they clearly have shown, to bring a half baked concept to market."
I don't agree with you. I can't speak for the audio press, but I enjoy using Roon.
As for being arrogant, I don't see it that way at all. When Roon was initially released, they felt that WASAPI would be just fine for Windows. They listened to their customers and promptly brought out ASIO support. This tells me that they are willing to adapt to the demands of their market. A very positive trait for success.
And remember, this "half backed concept" is their concept that no one else appears to be doing.
Our opinions may differ, but specific to the marketing, the arrogance is palpable.
But in any case, let me make this clear. I am not in any way against innovation.
If Roon becomes available on all platforms, and I can use it with any file playback device..laptop, streamer, renderer, iPad, whatever..and the price is more in line with reality, I am on board.
I am not here to kill good ideas, just to shed light on bad execution.
Let's see where the chip fall.
I agree with you, they were the culprit in the DVDA v SACD war, trying to use intellectual property as the weapon.There were a lot of economies with the truth in the discussions.
The same characters are making another try with "Master Quality Authenticated". However, in all fairness, the other side in the DVDA v SACD wars were playing the same game with their "intellectual property".
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
In reference to MQA, I am not betting on folks who by the late 2000s still did not realize that 24 bit audio would be decoupled from physical media.
Their focus on developing $20,000 disc spinners and $15,000 touch screen file playback systems for the rich has resulted in their well deserved irrelevance.
Absolutely.
My local dealer has a stockpile of Meridian gear is he selling for pennies on the dollar, collecting dust.
Shame, because their stuff sounded nice to me and was well built but their concepts were clearly against the grain.
Can you point us to any evidence that "computers are fading from the scene"?
Certainly more people are buying dedicated playback hardware (streamers, renderers, etc) but how many are also abandoning their computers? How many newcomers are getting on board with these dedicated devices vs starting out with computers?
I'm just curious if there is any market data to support your comment "as computers fade from the scene". I haven't seen any.
While it might be perfect for others, from what I've read I can't see much value in Roon for $119/yr.
Roon is going to have to change its business plan dramatically or will go into the digital dumpster like many "game changers" before it.
If anything they are accelerating into every area of our lives, Including hi-end audio.
Cut-Throat
Of course you agree, the blinding leading the blind.
PC sales have sunk like a stone, down 5% the first quarter of 2015.
Tablet sales sales will surpass computers by years end.
SMART DEVICES are increasing their profile in daily lives.
Only a Neanderthal would think different.
Cut-Throat
If not, then for the purposes of this particular thread, it doesn't really count.
I think you know perfectly well what Sprezza means.
Very Soon, according to their website..... To deny that Tablets, Phones, 'Smart Watches', Squeezeboxes etc are Computers, is not only Stupid, but ridiculous.
Cut-Throat
Edits: 07/05/15
device with a processor in it, a computer: as they are so ubiquitous. Eventually, people here will have to start calling their TV, a TV.
Yes, - they are absolutely a computing device that connects to the internet via a home wifi network, and have a processor chip.
Examples of this are....
Baby monitors
light bulbs
Microwave oven
Refigerators
TVs
thermostats....
& even old TI calculators from the 70s, (not wifi enabled).
Whenever the baby monitor has a DHCP conflict and is not connecting, - we don't say, - "hey honey, - can you please go downstairs and reboot the the 2nd internet-enabled-mini-computer-camera-device above the crib"
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Are you and Spuzz Butt Buddies?
Cut-Throat
As we've been saying, calling a TV a computer just confuses people.....
as does calling a squeezebox touch a computer
As does calling an old TI calculator a computer. (Even in the olden days, we called them calculators).
And... of course... no one here is saying that single or limited purpose networked devices are "going away." (Same with mobile {smart} phones. Asserting that I'm saying that they are, is a total straw man).
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"Android and iOS coming soon!"
LOL...when in a year? What functionality? A control point only?
Enjoy the hype.
Android beta is available. IOS this month. Final Android very, very soon.
Ok.
Do you happen to know if these can be used as stand alone control points for a remote library?
Must it be used with the program running on a computer in parallel (which is what I understand, but I would love to be wrong).
There is no information on the website at all about functionality and system requirements, unless I missed it.
Thanks in advance.
When did anyone say that tablets and smart devices were not computers?
We are talking about computers as the entities used as transports with installed playback software, USB ports, and substantial RAM.
Stop being a petty gnat.
Roon has give ZERO details of their iOS and Android functionality.
"Tablet sales sales will surpass computers by years end."
"Tablets" are just a computer form-factor. For most of us the necessity of using a desktop is now greatly reduced, but is yet to be eliminated. For the vast majority of things most of us do on computers most of the time, a modern tablet or something similar does the job. Shoot, I'm typing this on my iPad1 whilst sipping beer on the patio. A proper tool for the job fer sure...
But it would not be my first choice for carefully working photos, laying out PCB's, that sort of thing. Not enough application SW, Screen area, or MIPS. Not at this point in time anyway. At any point in time the main tradeoff is between energy and MIPS. As die geometry and capacitance decrease the chip power requirements do also while battery energy density is entering the area of a decent yielding explosive. As the airline industry is noticing...
The punch line is we are already largely to the point where I can choose the device for reasons other than raw performance required for an application. For instance ALL of my computers and portables do email and web browsing well, play music, view photos. Stuff that thirty years ago was rare and costly. Once VR goggles and nerve impulse or finger position sensors become common there will be no need to be tied to a desk. Ever.
Already we're pretty well unchained!
Freedom Forever... Rick
That Tablets are a "computer form factor" is of course obvious.
The discussion here is the use of computers as transports, which is a perquisite of using Roon.
Tablets offer none of the connectivity or specifications.
"The discussion here is the use of computers as transports, which is a perquisite of using Roon."
Then Roon is Doomed.
Leastwise if you're thinking actual desktops. However Windows or 80xx archecture or whatever it relys upon can prolly be had in compact, quiet instances so it might have a chance as essentially embedded software. If it really requires a desktop I/O to run then it's dead in the gate.
The fickle finger of fate no longer rests upon a mouse button...
Rick
N deed it is doomed...UNLESS they find a way to make it run as you say, either embedded, or as a plug in, or an app.
I don't think that the desktop computer form factor is essential for me now but a 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse still matter to me.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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