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In Reply to: RE: Anything with an OS in it can be used as AV streamer - however, I don't get the attraction .... posted by Bob_C on June 30, 2015 at 14:47:58
You should read some of the more in depth reviews of the Ayre QB-9 DSD DAC. Much of the USB isolation, noise reduction, 5v eliminating 'tweaks' out there are IN this DAC. But it's not exactly clear to me what the Regen attempts to do that some DACs may already accomplish within their chassis. Could be a fun little toy to tinker with considering it's reasonable price. On the other hand, one has to wonder if these inexpensive little devices are so effective why would a DAC maker not include similar capability and build them into their DACs. I think that's a reasonable question.
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"You should read some of the more in depth reviews of the Ayre QB-9 DSD DAC. Much of the USB isolation, noise reduction, 5v eliminating 'tweaks' out there are IN this DAC."
I have read the reviews and I'm very familiar with it.
" But it's not exactly clear to me what the Regen attempts to do that some DACs may already accomplish within their chassis. "
The REGEN cleans up the power and regenerates the signal right before it gets to the DAC. I think it would be good trick for a DAC to regenerate the signal before it gets to the DAC.
" On the other hand, one has to wonder if these inexpensive little devices are so effective why would a DAC maker not include similar capability and build them into their DACs. I think that's a reasonable question."
This is like saying how come doctors were not using penicillin before it was invented.
This is the first external device to do what the PPA studio card or Jplay card do for USB. All the people with Macs, laptops or other systems that cannot be expanded now are able to improve their USB output.
I think it would be good trick for a DAC to regenerate the signal before it gets to the DAC.
Not at all, the identical "regen" circuitry can be built right into the chassis and right at at the USB input. Why must it be in an external box?
This is like saying how come doctors were not using penicillin before it was invented.
Not at all like that. I'm sure that signal conditioning circuity does not have to reside in a box external to the DAC chassis.
If you read the CA forum you will learn that people hear further improvements when two Regens are daisy chained. JS provides an explanation for why this is so. Along these lines it is entirely plausible that the Regen will improve DACs that have excellent, albeit imperfect isolation from their digital input.One other thing to consider. It is common practice in RF devices that do filtering to isolate multiple sections of filters in separate boxes. This provides a perfectly good explanation for putting (some) stages of isolation outboard from the DAC itself. If this offends you, you can always get yourself a cardboard shoe box and put several components inside it and call it your "DAC". If you try this, I suggest punching some holes in the lid so your critter can breathe.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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"If this offends you, you can always get yourself a cardboard shoe box and put several components inside it and call it your "DAC". If you try this, I suggest punching some holes in the lid so your critter can breathe."
ROTFLMAO!!!
"Not at all, the identical "regen" circuitry can be built right into the chassis and right at at the USB input. Why must it be in an external box?"
Because it is...
No matter how counterintuitive something is, once you get a thought you latch on and do not let go. Do you own a pit bull?
Of course they could. They could also build different cables inside the box to switch in order to change the sound. They can actually build the computer inside the box too... Oh they have... It is a streamer...
You have not answered my perfectly legit question because the question is too simple and obvious. And we are all too aware that audiophiles are often too insane to comprehend the obvious.
It is difficult to tell if you are actually stupid or just acting stupid. My guess maybe the former.Of course any manufacturer could put anything in a box, did you ever think that maybe they haven't thought of it, this is something new in our field.
Just like prior to USB audio interfaces being built into DACs they were external and people connected them via SPDIF.
For some reason you think your stupid point that nobody has done this yet actually lessens credibility of the device, it doesn't. It is such a stupid question why does someone actually have to answer it for you?
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is when you call your opponent stupid multiple times.
You just seem so smart and superior when you do that.
"opponent"
This is not a game! Games or sports have "opponents"...
This is people trying to have an intelligent conversation.. Maybe you should try it sometimes.
lol
"This is not a game! Games or sports have "opponents"...
really, No_Tech? I don't know if I'll ever recover my former sense of dignity after this scathing bout of having been put in my place.
So your idea of having intelligent conversation is calling someone stupid over and over again like a broken record without ever actually discussing technical subjects?
Linked below.Looks awfully familiar - managed to antagonize at least 4 different people in the same thread with nasty, clueless, insidious BS, putting down a product he'd never heard, or even seen in flesh.
Makes you wonder why he is allowed to be - and do damage - here.
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That is funny as hell!!! LOl God only knows what he would say about Julius Futterman or Hiroyasu Kondo amplifiers...
I am glad we have an expert in out midst..
It is like kindergarten show and tell...
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