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In Reply to: RE: Anything with an OS in it can be used as AV streamer - however, I don't get the attraction .... posted by Bob_C on June 30, 2015 at 14:47:58
Or, best (worst?) case, the difference will be so insignificant, that it won't make sense to stress over, but instead "rather just listen to music".
Count on it.
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I think part of the problem especially for people who keep DAC searching is that they don't realize that they can improve their front-end significantly, and this may and this search.
By just keep ignoring this that will never get anywhere and just keep buying a new DAC trying to find something better and still never get the sound they want. .
We have all done this to some degree, but honestly lately I'm listening to something pretty old actually. I'm not using my DSD DAC or my ESS saber minimax plus, instead it's an old Pacific Valve modified NOS DAC. It only goes up to 96 but with the newest Jplay 6.1 streamer and Audiophile Optimizer it sounds totally amazing.
At the end of the day some people will probably never really want to understand that all these things in the chain do matter. There is still no such thing as a perfect DAC that will take whatever you put into it and make it sound great.
Even if this perfect DAC ever does exist I still feel improving the front end will always have a significant effect on sound quality.
is going to lead to endless frustration.
After spending tons of money.
I think that it's a good idea to swap in a decent mid-high-end CDP or a decent turntable as a reference point. This is where Carcass, (and others), get a good perspective on things as their/our DACs are the same as our CDPs.
Besides there are far too many DACs on the market, it's digital file transports, sans DACs, that are rare.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
If one throws into the equation different media types this can be helpful. But there may be pitfalls.
If one's speakers in one's room are too bright this may make some DACs sound hopeless. Switching to a vinyl rig that is itself rolled off may alleviate the problem and the conclusion might be that the problem was the DAC, whereas it might have been elsewhere. It might even have been that the system itself was OK, but the recordings used in the testing had problems.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Tony,
You can always come up with these type of issues but hopefully one uses varied music and is familiar with what they're listening to. Also you would hope that the individual understand their system and its shortcomings before they make drastic decisions. Not every vinyl system has to be rolled off, nor one speakers bright. I would hope that if someone lives with the system they have built one to their taste and can make intelligent choices when adding to it.
Indeed, hopefully one knows what one is doing. However, getting to this point requires a certain amount of listening, studying, and the experience of making mistakes.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"some people will probably never really want to understand that all these things in the chain do matter".
It's some kind of mental block, more than anything else. After they convince themselves that their source is "good enough", the only way they see to improve sound is to go on a merry-go-round of swapping DACs. Of course, without ever realizing that they have no chance of even coming close to a full potential of any of those DACs.
It's the same as with some people endlessly swapping speakers, while keeping their mass-market POS receivers, or some vanishing THD solid-state wonder-amps from 80's.
I think part of the problem especially for people who keep DAC searching is that they don't realize that they can improve their front-end significantly, and this may and this search.
By just keep ignoring this that will never get anywhere and just keep buying a new DAC trying to find something better and still never get the sound they want. .
Exactly the same can be said of those who tweak their source endlessly and never bother to try a variety of DACs. Some of us are perfectly happy with the way our systems sound but we enjoy trying different gear. For example, I have owned dozens of amps in the past 20 years or so and a handful of recent DACs.
While improving the front end may have a significant effect on sound quality especially if the source is pretty bad to begin with, it is my experience that a much bigger difference can be readily heard among various DACs. For example, the Luxman DA-06 and Wavelength Brick v3 are the polar opposites of the PS Audio NuWave and W4S DAC2. A couple tweeks do alter the sonics of my source but nothing like the different DACs.
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