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In Reply to: RE: Finally, the beginning of the end for computers as transports... posted by newvinyl on March 17, 2015 at 07:31:35
I am one of those that STILL wants ports and optical drives on my computer, especially a laptop.I think the big move to wireless is over hyped...Most people still connect to peripherals like printers with cables.
Apple is plowing forward with slimmed down machines in their mindless form over function agenda IMO, and it really does not give a damn what customers think.
Apple customers have been conditioned to sit and take it with a smile for a decade.
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> > I am one of those that STILL wants ports and optical drives on my computer, especially a laptop. < <
For the life of me I cannot understand the reasoning of folks who think that the "cloud" is going to be their saving grace. When you remove ports and optical drives, you remove any possibility that you could use locally stored files for playback.
Sorry, but I will not allow myself to be dependent upon an internet connection to be able to do my work or listen to music. By having locally available files, I am the "master of my universe" - my apologies to Seinfeld.
Cloud storage/connectivity is *nice*, but I will not cede access to my files to an environment that is not 100% available, 100% of the time...
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"Sorry, but I will not allow myself to be dependent upon an internet connection to be able to do my work or listen to music. By having locally available files, I am the "master of my universe" - my apologies to Seinfeld.
Cloud storage/connectivity is *nice*, but I will not cede access to my files to an environment that is not 100% available, 100% of the time.."
This is my position exactly.
"The Cloud" was a marketing term the computer industry coined because they alraady exploited all other avenues.
"Sorry, but I will not allow myself to be dependent upon an internet connection to be able to do my work or listen to music."
I have not embraced the cloud either, but I wonder if the same argument wasn't used 100 years ago when electric power transmission started. Sooner or later, a generation of people will come to rely on the internet much as we rely on electricity now.
I remember when the web first started and I was involved in discussions about the wonderment of it all, much like I think people first talked about the telephone.
There has been, and always will be, going forward, those who actually whish to hold works of art in their hands, hence vinyl being coming a media darling and healthy market for reel to reel tapes and used CDs.
The reason the previous generation stopped paying for music is that it was just a bunch of files on their laptop..there was zero attachment.
So comparing electricity to media streaming is kind of off the mark.
Local storage means local possession. Cloud storage means you don't actually have what you think you have- and it can all be taken away without warning. I see the cloud evolving to a "legitimate" ransom scheme where you have to pay to have access to what you thought you owned. Many software companies are moving to a cloud based subscription model. Google offers a cloud based storage service, at a cost. What happens if you don't pay ? Hardware that restricts your ability to store locally only serves to push you to the cloud.
Apple is no better or worse in this regard. Apple buyers on the other hand blindly accept what Apple mandates, and would cry bloody murder if Microsoft tried to do the same things....
Best, Ross
Disclosure- we have several iPhones and an iPad. Only one child prefers a MacBook (pro), the rest of us are steadfastly PC.
Great post.Totally agree.
Full disclosure here, Mac Mini, iPads, and iPhones in the house too.
And I agree, Apple is NOT the main villain in the cloud movement, they are
trying position themselves and capitalize, but so is everybody else.."Apple is no better or worse in this regard. Apple buyers on the other hand blindly accept what Apple mandates, and would cry bloody murder if Microsoft tried to do the same things...."
That about nails it...
Edits: 03/24/15
At present it costs most people three times more to get their electric power "off the grid". There are exceptions, for example those so far away that the capital cost of running power lines is prohibitive.
There are no similar economies of scale with computing, although there are apparent economies of scale when you consider reliability and system management. I say, "apparent" because when you use the cloud you must trust the cloud operator to retain your data safely and to not disclose it without your permission. (Legally in the U.S. the government can compel the cloud provider to disclose your data without a warrant, but if your computer is in your home, legally they can not access your data without a warrant. Whether the government obeys the law is another question...)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I am not a big fan of what is going on either but I think you might not really be in touch with what current computer uses do or need. I can just speak from personal family and friends experience, I cannot tell you the last time somebody actually plugged something into a port, or God forbid use an optical drive. Most people nowadays use their system and often never do these things. Most of the lighter and thinner laptops do not even have optical drives, manufacturers do not ship discs, the and restore partitions are on the hard drive.
This is not the way I use my computers, and I guess you don't either, but this is what the current state of affairs is. That is why they are going in that direction, they are not as stupid as you think. They are catering to the majority we are sadly the minority. At least we are still allowed to vote and walk over bridges.
In a thread here that was transferred from another board, I was forced to admit that we don't have the ability to burn a CD anymore since our old tower PC died.
What I thought was a USB CD read/write drive turns out to be only read!
We have used it so infrequently we have no idea what it actually is.
With two laptops, two iPhones and two iPads, a network multifunction printer, plus a SONOS and a Marantz NS-7004 on the home network, we're covered.
Should of bought a Sqeezebox Touch (or two) while they were still available. I'd be set.
listed in the AA store a few days ago.
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Aren't I supposed to get an email notification? I never have used that to sell before but I would think I would have been alerted somehow....you may email me.
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
as I said, Email me...
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
email me too @ sprezza.tura@yahoo.com
I don't disagree with your post. I never claimed to have a crystal ball.
Speaking for my self, my immediate family and colleagues, i still require an optical drive, an ethernet port and at least 2 USB ports.
Apple has, however, forced people in certain direction under the guise being some all knowing power that tells its customers what they want, instead of the other way around.
"Apple has, however, forced people in certain direction under the guise being some all knowing power that tells its customers what they want, instead of the other way around. "
You betcha!!!
check it out:::
The New Yorker
Profiles February 23, 2015 Issue
The Shape of Things to Come
How an industrial designer became Apple's greatest product.
By Ian Parker
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/23/shape-things-come
Thanks for the link. Quite an in depth article.
"Apple has, however, forced people in certain direction under the guise being some all knowing power that tells its customers what they want, instead of the other way around."
You have correctly assessed Apple's vision. Apple does not do market surveys and then produces what people want. If you ask people what they want, they'll answer by asking for the same thing, just better. In contrast to that, Apple looks for the next curve in the road and produces what people have not thought of yet. There's a long list of new things that Apple computers/software were designed to do that the average computer user could not previously do easily, from creating and laser printing newsletters, to creating music playlists and syncing them to a mobile player, to editing movies and creating picture slide shows, to creating an app ecosystem.
What you have incorrectly assessed is that Apple is forcing people in a certain direction. Apple is not forcing anyone to purchase their products. Apple is simply building exciting products that average computer users want to buy.
""Apple is simply building exciting products that average computer users want to buy.""
It's more like, - Apple is marketing products that it thinks might be cool, and convincing consumers to buy something that is GOOD for Apple. Part of this, (looking at it positively for Apple), is that they did have some creative & stylish products that they're "resting" on & refining: like their IPHONE. These products drive the sale of other products that are not so innovative, or of (high)value to consumers. (Like their desktop, & laptop computers), - which have both good & bad elements: with high levels of hype & hyperbole.
And, finally, if we go on the basis of creativity: many ideas attributed to Apple's invention, - like the mouse, - were something that Apple unfairly exploited, and shouldn't be attributable to them.
Cheers,
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"It's more like, - Apple is marketing products that it thinks might be cool, and convincing consumers to buy something that is GOOD for Apple."
I don't think it can be stated any clearer than that....
You know, because that is EXACTLY what consumers want,they all got together and said they need a new "USB C" port and a fucking dongle hanging from their laptop.
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"And, finally, if we go on the basis of creativity: many ideas attributed to Apple's invention, - like the mouse, - were something that Apple unfairly exploited, and shouldn't be attributable to them."
Apple bought the IP rights for the mouse, and other things, from Xerox because Xerox didn't know what to do with it, or at least didn't have the ambition to turn it into a consumer product.
""this had already been achieved at PARC. He stole an existing concept already developed to a working model, and made some improvements."'
I said, - "on the basis of creativity"
Nothing you said refutes that....legality doesn't enter into it....many people believe that the "IDEA" of a mouse was CREATED by Apple.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"Apple bought the IP rights for the mouse, and other things, from Xerox because Xerox didn't know what to do with it, or at least didn't have the ambition to turn it into a consumer product."
Xerox did not invent the mouse.
"Douglas Engelbart at the Stanford Research Institute (now SRI International) invented his first mouse prototype in the 1960s with the assistance of his lead engineer Bill English.[10] They christened the device the mouse as early models had a cord attached to the rear part of the device looking like a tail and generally resembling the common mouse.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Your post has contradictory statements.
"You have correctly assessed Apple's vision.."
and
"What you have incorrectly assessed is that Apple is forcing people in a certain direction"
Which is it? I state their vision WAS as that they were forcing their vision on users, regardless if of the fact it serves Apple's purposes rather than it its customer base.
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