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In Reply to: RE: As I stated before - reviewers need a REAL reference. posted by carcass93 on December 12, 2014 at 08:53:26
Well. sir than that is pretty scarey because I can tell you for a fact many DAC, and other component designers use Mac computers as sources when designing products.
NOT to mention several DAC manufacturers on this board, who have somehow managed to spellbind their minions, tout MAC as the ultimate source.
And...we get hundreds of "just get a Mac Mini" when we see those inevitable "I'm a computer audio newbie" threads pop up.
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May be those manufacturers will eventually come up with a design of DAC immune to differences in transports - considering that they use sources that are far from optimal for their product development.
As for the "hundreds of "just get a Mac Mini" when we see those inevitable "I'm a computer audio newbie" threads" - if there's such thing as "blind leading the blind", there has to be "deaf leading the deaf", "lazy leading the lazy", "inexperienced leading the inexperienced", and so on - right?
Who determines what a real REFERENCE system should be?
Do we choose one of our own tweak of the week Asylum members whose 'REFERENCE' is a never ending moving target?
Do we elect one respected reviewer to come up with a stable REFERENCE system?
LOL - - Good luck !!
> Who determines what a real REFERENCE system should be?
I think the right word is pREFERENCE.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/
I don't thing there needs to be one digital "reference".
And btw, it is not that far fetched, whether you agree with the premise or not.
At TAS, they worship at the alter of Magico and Wilson for loudspeakers, and Spectral, Constellation, and Soulution for amps.
At Stereophike, Fremer is the Analog God, with his minions bowing before the alter of his Continuum turntable.
So if there seems to be some consensus for other gear, it is not unreasonable. That is if you agree with the premise, which I probably do not.
What we CAN do Abe, is simply determine what is NOT a reference.
What we CAN do Abe, is simply determine what is NOT a reference.
True. And nothing is a REFERENCE and nothing ever will be. Back to square one. ;-)
The process of elimination is actually a step forward.
Regardless of whether he actually is going to get rid of the inadequate setup himself. It's being bettered by how many devices under review in a row now?However, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of those fixated on Apple "magic" continuing their endless circle jerk. Somewhere else but in this forum would be nice though...
Edits: 12/12/14
You bring up an excellent point. Why hang on to his Mac Book Pro?
First, he has zero incentive to dump it as he has a steady stream of samples coming his way, so plunk down his own money for a steady reference seems silly to him I bet.
Second, let's face it, that is his music source AND his work computer. No doubt about it.
Another possibility is that he uses the streaming services as sources.
So in the end it is relatively cheap and convenient, which is not a priority I would want a reviewer to have.
Shouldn't be, but most likely is.
How they say - "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are different".
trend jumping.....
So many reviewers are comparing the wrong apples to the wrong oranges. What's ironic, is that many of them were reviewing and comparing the latest crops of high end/statement universal disc players 9 years ago.
Is the goal good sound, superior sound, or good computer sound?
If anyone is touting any computer, as a better, or even "well" engineered device: then they likely don't have much of an experiential history with computer hardware.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
The process of elimination is actually a step forward.
But what is the REAL REFERENCE, and who determines what that will be, and for how long? Until next week when there's a new tweak?
Coming up with a REAL REFERENCE as was proposed further up this thread is nothing but a circle jerk. Impossible.
Progress is being made.
Maybe some of these reviewers will be bringing out their disc spinners and comparing those to their computers and to their streamers.
Maybe, they grab someone's PC instead of just making blanket statements about their MacBook pro. Maybe, they'll try some of the optimization techniques, - instead of just walking their "work" computer over to the audio rack and plugging it in.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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