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In Reply to: RE: "enough already" posted by Bob_C on October 21, 2014 at 23:06:32
1. (if you're referring to me) I am not a streamer guy.
I am running a MAC Mini. Sprezza also, is BOTH.
2. Slots, ports or the lack of them, does not make a good board, or bad board for audio (as you also already know) and IMO.
Unless you've tested, them, - how do you? How can you formulate an opinion about something that you have not tested? (hidden answer spelled out): you can't. In several instances: as seen with other types of mainboards, - removing components from the signal path DOES indeed help SQ. Now how much, and if in this case, - is still speculation: with the specific board the we're talking about: (Aries).
3. ""The boards they they are using are nothing special."" What does that mean? How do you define special? Off of what shelf? Are you talking about the Aries? If so, - then of course you are wrong. The gold plated connectors, and the hard soldered in gold plated SPDIF connector clearly shows that the board is not off the shelf. Is it made by AMD, ASUS, INTEL, AnTec, IMicro: from whom's "shelf" does this come?
If you are on some kind of crazy agendae to prove that all transports sound the same, and that a streaming device is the same, and therefore sounds the same: you really should get your facts straight first.
Why not open up that closed mind and back up your speculation with some experience? Or at least admit that you don't know. This is serious dogma regurgitation. Same thing as the VRDS-NEO. Claiming that the VRDS-NEO sounds the same as all other transports because on your own, you decided that the differences "shouldn't" make enough difference, - so you make your speculation into a certain fact. Why do you have such a huge investment in denigrating another approace? Are you that insecure in the one that you're engaged in?
I find this ironic outside the conversation of mainboards, - in that you "all the same" guys are also turning your commercial computer into an (audio only device) by pulling the fans, installing SSD drives, upgrading the HD cables, and installing linear power supplies, and then adding tweaks.
The best that we can say about the Aries is that we don't know if its mainboard differences make it sound any different, or any better.
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As far as forming opinions, there are primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. These can be used and weighed accordingly.
I am not calling you a streamer guy or saying that all boards sound the same.What I really I wish you could understand is that what I use and what many of the "serious" people are using are nowhere close to commercial computers.
Please read some other boards such as Jplay and CA if you are interested. Many of these systems are as specialized or more specialized than the brand name streamer transports minus the fancy box and name plate.
I think you really might be missing this point of the discussion.
Edits: 10/22/14
The Bryston looks similar to some of the custom music server builds I've seen. Bryston focused on the quality of the SPDIF and AES/EBU outputs whereas many custom designs like CAPSv3 are focused on the quality of the USB output. I believe you can get the same or better SQ with your own build for less money, but you'll have to take the time to do it, and it will be hard to match Bryston's convenience and system integration features such as front panel display, IR remote, trigger inputs/outputs, RS232 control, and web interface. So I don't think it's a bad deal at all. The Bryston will be for people who want a well integrated, well packaged, turnkey solution. A DIY computer based music server will be for people who enjoy the process of building, configuring, learning, and tweaking as much as the final result. I don't see why there needs to be a pissing contest between people who have taken one approach vs. another.
The Auralic Aries is a bit of a different animal. It is a streaming audio renderer and is designed specifically to receive audio streams over the network and output them to a DAC, with only the minimum hardware necessary to do that. It doesn't have internal storage for your music, it doesn't support attached storage, it doesn't access a remote filesystem, it doesn't manage or index a music library. Because it is more limited in function, and the hardware design is more narrowly focused, there is the potential for it to be a better sounding streamer than a custom DIY computer used as a streamer. But I think it's too soon to say whether it's going to deliver.
Hi Dave K:
I found the tone and content of your posts here to be most welcome.
Lots of thoughtful and neutral ideas.
On the Bryston, however, let me clarify a few things. I have talked extensively with the team there that developed and continues to develop the product.
First, their USB output is every bit the focus as is their AES/EBU and SPDIF outputs. As a matter of fact, they just released a BDP-USB, with USB output ONLY < and no soundcard.
Second, they strongly discourage the use of the display and the remote. The remote is really a system remote. There are several excellent control apps for iOS, and Android to control the BDPs. You can use a web browser too.
The product is based on Auraliti's architecture and was designed for local or ethernet file access.
Lastly, the BDP series can be used with internal storage, SS too, if you desire.
I have not needed support but when I monitor the message boards, the level of support is like nothing I have ever seen.
The Aries..yes a different animal but similar. They CLAIM it is not a streamer but it sure as heck is.
BTW, an upcoming firmware will unlock local file playback from directly connected storage.
"The Bryston looks similar to some of the custom music server builds I've seen. Bryston focused on the quality of the SPDIF and AES/EBU outputs whereas many custom designs like CAPSv3 are focused on the quality of the USB output. I believe you can get the same or better SQ with your own build for less money, but you'll have to take the time to do it, and it will be hard to match Bryston's convenience and system integration features such as front panel display, IR remote, trigger inputs/outputs, RS232 control, and web interface. So I don't think it's a bad deal at all. The Bryston will be for people who want a well integrated, well packaged, turnkey solution. A DIY computer based music server will be for people who enjoy the process of building, configuring, learning, and tweaking as much as the final result."
I agree with you 100%!!!
"I don't see why there needs to be a pissing contest between people who have taken one approach vs. another."
Good point, I agree also... This really does not happen to the same degree on other boards... For some reason when anyone talk about something they might not, or want not to understand the conversations here turn to garbage. There is a good thread on CA now regarding fans and RFI. Take a look back at what happened here when the same topic was mentioned.
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