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In Reply to: RE: DSD [A Reprise]... posted by AbeCollins on September 11, 2014 at 08:39:16
Thanks for the link Abe...
...but it sort of proves my point. I'm practically middle aged and have never seen those stores before. On the market sure, but not what you'd call marketing.
Why not put such a device inside a harsh noisy environment?
The inside of a PC is full of sensitive electronic equipment carrying functionally vital digital signals, and it all works perfectly. I don't know if PDM is any more susceptible to noise than the other digital signals in a PC, or if the inside of a DAC/amp/speaker cabinet and their many cables and connections are any less harsh, but one benefit of PDM seems to be that unwanted noise is inherently simple to control.
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Hey Storris!Welcome to the looniest bin in the entire asylum!
Your own observations are pointing out the reason for a lack of internal PC DSD devices. People only create products if they think they can sell. At a conservative guess, I'd say 99.999% of the market out there is perfectly happy with regular old PCM encoded audio. Indeed, for perhaps 99.9% of the market, PCM encoded audio is overkill. Note the profusion of, nay, dominance of lossy formats in the market.
In the modern market, DSD is at best an afterthought, and only thought about by those who cannot believe that PCM is really all they need to enjoy music. This class of consumer is willing to go to extraordinary lengths to preserve the "purity" of the signal and would no more think of putting a DSD DAC inside of a PC than they would of pushing in their tweeter domes. The OEMs who sell to this tiny group must of necessity be extraordinarily sensitive to the prejudices of their intended market so you are about as likely to see a DSD sound card set up to run in a PCI-E slot as you are to see 5 star restaurants selling hamburgers, however much they may overprice them.
All the Best, and again, welcome to the Asylum! Be sure to check out some of the other fora as well!
JE
Edits: 09/11/14
"Why not put such a device inside a harsh noisy environment?"
IMHO, because the analog sections of the DAC should not be in that harsh noisy environment.
that seems to shrug off the harsh environment inside a PC.
Now come on, in all honesty, where in that battery of measurements does it become apparent that the component under review is in "the harsh environment inside a PC?"
JE
...that card uses a DSD capable chip!
The point is well made. Even my integrated audio produces clean and crisp, analogue audio signals, and that's buried in the middle of the motherboard.
Not to mention the vast array of analogue TV and FM tuners available for the PCI bus, which cope perfectly with the environment.
Boy, do you have a lot to "learn" about PC audio! Park your common sense at the door please! Ignore all the information your ears present to your mind! Forget everything you learned in school about logic! Who cares if there are literally thousands of intelligent, skilled and educated people out there pushing on a daily basis the boundaries of audio fidelity? There are a dozen or so folks here who will explain to you how you and everyone else are all wrong, and some of them will even be happy to sell you multi-thousand dollar solutions to problems you never even knew existed!
Your trip down the rabbit-hole hasn't even begun!
JE
the people here may be delusional, but they are not stupid. I'll freely admit that most of them are smarter than me.
Have you ever boxed? Going against an inferior opponent may be satisfying, but you learn little. Going against a superior opponent may be embarrassing, and end up with you on your ass, with a bloody nose, but you will learn a lot.
I've learned a lot from posting here. But before I started posting here I'd already learned how to hang on to my wallet.
Have fun here, but make sure to keep an eye on your wallet!
JE
You'll get no arguments from me on the education and fun to be had, and thanks for your input.
You're welcome to use an internal sound card or onboard audio if you wish. Most here prefer the flexibility of using an outboard DAC. I've tried a number of them and they all sound a little different.
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