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In Reply to: RE: "The ASIO driver for Windows does not use DoP nor does the ASIO driver for OSX." posted by Jaundiced Ear on September 05, 2014 at 03:22:00
"You look at people's feet for a living. Why do you think that makes you more qualified to pass judgments on these products than the people who actually have to pay money to listen to them? "
I certainly don't speak for Steve and in fact am a data-oriented electronics guy. Yet I can easily see the connection between "looking at feet" and evaluating stereo gear...
The deal is about being a good observer, which is actually a surprisingly rare trait, and also a thoughtful analyst with an open mind. Both can be learned and honed but some folks simply have a natural inclination towards one or both.
I see gross errors of judgement here daily because the posters simply have not acquired the right skills. Good Doctors, Engineers and Technicians don't usually make the sorts of logical errors rampant amoungst hobbiests.
Ironically one of the best tools is to be able to blank-out your mind and just observe. It is usually best to try and not drool as that can unnerve clients but short of that observing without bias is an amazing tool. Yes, much of the time the issue will indeed be what you suspect or close to it and while that's a good crosscheck, it's a poor starting assumption.
Rick
Follow Ups:
Thanks for your comments Rick. But our questioner knows the answers to his questions before he presents them. There is no answer. If there were a set of measurements that could describe exactly how a DAC would sound, we could dispense with the reviews and just verify that everything works as advertised.If one reads my e22 DAC review, both the ASIO driver and the Core Audio are bit perfect. But they sound different. How does one prove this? One can easily measure the CPU activity with ASIO and Core Audio drivers. I did; the ASIO was much less. But if the output is bit perfect for both, how can they sound different? Most of us know the answer to this question. Some just can't accept it.
I also find it curious that the questioner won't share with us his name, occupation, system specifics, etc. I'm sure he will protest on a stack of bibles that this has nothing to do with anything; but it does.
Most of the inmates in this forum are well educated and bright people. Need I say more?
Reviewing these products is not an easy task. You are playing with people's livelihoods and can't take a caviler approach to the task. After doing this job for over two years, I have left a significant body of work for others to evaluate. If their experiences are consistently different from mine, then I am wasting my time and theirs. I hope this has not been the case.
Now what about computer hardware and software optimization?
I know that it makes a sonic difference. But I have a number of friends with excellent systems that just use a stock Mac and have a darn good time. After all, this is a hobby and we should not lose site of that.
Edits: 09/05/14
Rick, I have to agree. You make a fair point. Someone good at observing with one set of senses may very well be good at observing with their other senses.
Of course, one could also argue that someone who hallucinates with one set of senses may also do so with their other senses!
"I see gross errors of judgement here daily because the posters simply have not acquired the right skills. Good Doctors, Engineers and Technicians don't usually make the sorts of logical errors rampant amoungst hobbiests."
What are the most common logical errors that you notice audiophiles make?
JE
I'm either having tablet problems or it is having operator problems as you can prolly tell by the messages that I THINK it sent to you again' my will!
I think audiophiles are rather inclined to pick up buzz words or phrases and use them as "explainations" without necessarily understanding what is truly occurring. It seems like having a name for something satisfies their desire for understanding. And they MAY be right, at least some of the time...
On the other hand most of us do not have a fully equipped electronics Lab. at home and for many these sorts of systems are quite out of their field of expertise. The latter actually may contribute to making audio a fun hobby. My dentist likes riding his horses but I don't think he floats their teeth let alone fixing them up with dentures!
Rick
"I think audiophiles are rather inclined to pick up buzz words or phrases and use them as "explainations" without necessarily understanding what is truly occurring. It seems like having a name for something satisfies their desire for understanding. And they MAY be right, at least some of the time..."
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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