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In Reply to: RE: I don't think you're being understood. Not even close. posted by carcass93 on August 29, 2014 at 11:36:42
Voicing skepticism = not understanding in your world? I doubt it. I just consider crippling the entire computers ability to be useful for something other than being a cd player by removing cooling fans due to the electrical interference more of the backyard rednecked jerry rigging approach to fixing the problem than I'd prefer.
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You can call it "skepticism" all you want (the abuse this word takes from naysayers, audio and not only, is simply staggering), but it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't know what you're talking about.While magnitude of improvements brought by an optimized system is something that only you can assess, and decide whether it's worth it for you personally - expressing an opinion without actually doing it is absolutely meaningless.
Build a system, adhering to the guidelines that are freely available (cMP, AudioPhil etc.), and then we could have a meaningful conversation. If it's too much for you to bother with, buy a quality commercially-produced, Linux-based streamer, and compare that with your "working" audio computer.
Edits: 08/30/14
nt
"You can call it "skepticism" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't know what you're talking about. "
You may think you are clever or a debate god or whatever in your mind but you certainly don't appear anything other than a jerk from the outside. How would you know anything about what I know other than I've disagreed with you.
I tried plenty of tweaks got long ago and quickly became bored with them when they didn't do anything but make my computer suck.
While I'm sure they are fantastic at taking your 60hz issues from 20dB down to a blisteringly low 25dB down, since I solved those issues long ago in my hardware I saw none of the benefits of tweaks designed by guys like you.
I'd like to try the thing Mercman mentioned if it's easy just to verify if anythings changed over the years but I'm not holding my breath.
nt
more of the backyard rednecked jerry rigging approach to fixing the problem than I'd prefer.
Your point of view is fine by me but why keep banging on about it and, more seriously, be offensive with it?
(I don't know the nuances in US English but, here in Britain, "redneck", though imported, is pretty much a euphemism for racist. It's not a word I'd use lightly.)
I didn't mean to be offensive. I'm sorry if it was. What carcass said is more or less the way I was using it. I believe it's derived via the red necks of farmers due to all the time in the sun...traditionally uneducated, ignorant, inbred often racist etc. when sampled from the inner core of our country. Some here see it as a term of endearment, actually.
BTW did you see the list of responses questioning me when I woke up this morning? I'm not sure why you'd choose to chide me for banging my views and not address any of the peanut gallery.
I didn't mean to be offensive.
Thanks for the explanation. My (British) dictionary has it as:
(Disparaging) in the southwestern U.S., a poor, uneducated White farm worker; a person or institution that is extremely reactionary; adjective - reactionary and bigoted.
In Brit English, the term bigot nowadays strongly implies a racist.
I'm not sure why you'd choose to chide me for banging my views and not address any of the peanut gallery.
I do not on principle read instrusive posts dominated by "animated gifs" of cats and ignored most of the others. However, my eye was caught by the term "redneck" as I'd be included in the group you defined - I use a dedicated audio PC with a slimmissimOS. (To good effect BTW.)
Wikipedia defines it as "a bigoted and conventional person, a loutish ultra-conservative" - which I guess is close to what Ugly was trying to imply.
"I just consider crippling the entire computers ability to be useful for something other than being a cd player by removing cooling fans due to the electrical interference more of the backyard rednecked jerry rigging approach to fixing the problem than I'd prefer."
So then you are also saying that every manufacture making a streamer or any other music system that uses a computer is wrong...
No I'm not. In fact I'm very selective when it comes to my hardware and how it's hooked up. It's just that the strip down tweaks have never proven drastic enough to me to take much interest given their extreme downsides for my usage.
I'm still entertaining the idea a less is more crippling tweak may someday emerge which will prove worthy in my opinion but for example consider the number of points in the FIR filters used in convolver room correction algorithms, something I'm apt to play with on occasion. More points is better. The way to get more is with more compute power not less. Many argue that this software adds quality to the listening experience. Crippling the machine as I've seen is becoming popular with some will limit the effectiveness of getting the most out of it. I also play video games. Crippling the machine does not make them better either.
then you hadn't done it properly or played thru a high end system
Yeah, in my case I use lots of convoluter points. The number increses with higher sampling rates as does the CPU load. This makes for great convolution quality, but 1 second worth of samples at DSD rates uses almost all of my CPU horsepower. This leads to two problems. First, no other applications better be running since even a mouse click to one might cause an audible glitch. This includes various periodic operating system functions that manage to schedule their activity in the middle of listening sessions. Second, my room had better be freezing cold, otherwise the CPU will start heating up and the nearly inaudible 1200 RPM fan will speed up to 2500 RPM or even higher and become audibly annoying.
With the right software, I could probably create a batch job to make new DSD files that are pre-convoluted and all of the fan noise would happen in the middle of various nights... Then I could just play the new files straight through.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"The way to get more is with more compute power not less. Many argue that this software adds quality to the listening experience. Crippling the machine as I've seen is becoming popular with some will limit the effectiveness of getting the most out of it."
Using an OS like Server 2012 with the Audiophile Optimizer for example does not cripple the computer. Computing power is unrelated to the software. Foe what you are doing, or if one uses Jplay or HQ player CPU horsepower is definitely beneficial.
"I also play video games. Crippling the machine does not make them better either."
One can have more than one computer if one wants. Many people have more that one computer/smart device these days...
I'm perfectly willing to test out non crippling tweaks but trying to separate the wheat from the chaf on this site has historically been way too tedious for me. I wasn't even aware there is a more rational tweak culture which had emerged.
I even took your suggestion and have lurked the Computer Audiophile site a bit.
getting better audio in no way cripples a PC. It appears that you either don't know what is involved, or don't want to know.
"non crippling tweaks but trying to separate the wheat from the chaf"
It really is totally different world. IMO the word tweak is inappropriate.
It is a seriously mature product using a superior OS. When you are done it will provide a path to IMO the best possible sound from a computer.
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