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In Reply to: RE: Sorry, Linux fanboy here. posted by Tromatic on July 15, 2014 at 23:57:32
'No, but an insanely long path name like OP has is still going to be a problem.'
'ETA: In Windows, at least.'
Well, there it is - 'In Windows at least.'
QED - 'quod erat demonstrandum' - Latin for that which was to be demonstrated.
Nerds rule. Give me a hushed murmuring of grokking my fellow nerds.
Tromatic - you may have detected my thinly veiled disdain for Microsoft. Wait... did I say thinly veiled? I meant to say full blown disdain for Microsoft. I was a Sys Admin at a large corporation for 26 years. I've supported many (hundreds) of servers and many, many (thousands) of desktops/laptops. I understand why corporations go down the Windows path. They have the money and resources to keep a full time staff to keep things running (hopefully smoothly). Most home users just want a machine that works... and keeps working, many times well past it's 'Best used by' date. They don't want to buy a new machine every hardware/software upgrade cycle. They don't want to maintain service packs, hot fixes, patches, virus updates, etc. (yes they can automate most updates, but eventually somebody is going to have to maintain it). They don't want hangs, crashes, blue screens and the inevitable loss of performance. Most home consumers just want to surf the web and send email. Unless you are a high power gamer or are running an app not ported to Linux or Mac, why put up with Microsoft Windows?
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Because Linux does not just work and Apple will drive me into bankruptcy!
Because maybe I like working with an OS that works right out of the box?
All the best!
JE
'Because maybe I like working with an OS that works right out of the box?'
Well...
MS Windows has the advantage of being the operating system that comes pre-installed on the vast majority of computers sold to consumers and corporate users.
If the criteria you use to choose an OS is 'works right out of the box', than Windows is really one out of two choices (for home consumers). Apple's iOS works out of the box too. With MS Windows, 'works right out of the box' should come with an expiration date. As soon as you turn it on, connect to a network or install any software on it, the clock starts on when it will hang, crash, be infected or start losing performance. Windows requires attention to keep running smoothly and eventually even herculean efforts will be insufficient to keep it alive and/or maintain performance.
Apple iOS works right out of the box.
Linux requires installation, but once installed is stable and easy to maintain. There are vendors selling PCs with OEM installed Linux (not many, but they are out there). Linux is easy to install. It was made for the people and many of the distros (distributions or release types) are very simple to install.
Give Linux a try. It's free. It's easy. It will run on old PCs that can't run Windows anymore. There are thousands of free apps. It is very stable and requires no or very little maintenance. Grab an old PC from your garage or garbage heap and install free Linux on it and give it a try. What have you got to lose besides time? And time... well... we are here on an internet forum, time is cheap.
Have fun.
Just my 2-cents worth....
1) Linux is great but IMHO it belongs in the data center, not on a consumer desktop. It's been tried before and Linux is still not polished enough for the average user. Heck, Walmart even tried selling Linux PCs years ago and that flopped. As for software applications, there are a number of them that are free but again not very polished. For example, LibreOffice and OpenOffice are meant to be replacements for the defacto corporate standard MS Office but both of them kinda SUCK. I've used them both for years on Linux and Mac and struggled with compatibility and ease of use issues, plus frequent crashes. The real deal MS Office works significantly better on both Mac and Windows. There is no native port of MS Office for Linux. You have to run it under virtualization on Linux.
2) Agree that MS Windows is a royal pain to maintain with never ending and all too frequent huge patches, security updates, registry corruption, and gradual performance degradation. The first thing that happens when you power up a new PC is spend an hour waiting for the latest MS software to download and update. And then you spend a couple hours deleting all the 'free' crapware that comes preloaded on your brand new PC. That's one way PC prices are held so low. The crapware developers PAY the PC manufacturer to have their crapware preloaded which subsidizes the low price of the PC. You spend hours deleting the crapware and when you think you got it all, some pop-up offer shows up out of no where and you hunt it down and delete it. There's even specialized software like PC Decrapifier to give your new PC a much needed enema.
3) Mac and Mac OS aren't perfect but man is it a pleasure to work with after years of dealing with MS Windows. I've been a PC/DOS/Windows user since the day the PC hit the market back in the 1980's and switched to Mac about 7 years ago. What a breath of fresh air! And since it's UNIX based, it's very solid. I've also used IRIX, Solaris, and Linux for a couple decades so I understand the benefits.
We still have a couple Windows PCs at home and I also have a need to run Windows occasionally on my Mac.... which is easy to do natively on bare metal with Apple provided drivers and a separate Windows boot partition on disk..... or under a Virtual Machine such as Parallels Desktop, VMware Fusion, or VirtualBox. I prefer Parallels Desktop and Windows 7 if I have a need to fire up Visio.
Maybe one slightly bent nail :-). Linux distros for home use are optimized for that purpose (small, fast, easy).All of your points and information are absolutely spot on. And well communicated. I'd bet that part of your job is/was education/documentation. You are/were an admin, right?
Some home PC users are comfortable with and capable of maintaining a Windows PC. There are many home PC users that enjoy maintaining windows. We know who we all are. Give me a hushed murmuring of grokking, my fellow nerds.
Running MS Windows is like having a super hot, crazy, slutty girlfriend. She looks great and will do anything. But... and you knew there'd be one... eventually things go haywire. Enjoy the ride.
While myself and other Windows detractors rarely say nice things about the spawn of Microsoft, it certainly has it's place.
If you don't mind replacing your PC every year or two, and you don't mind the security/privacy risks, than Windows is a great option for most people.Replace your Windows PC every two years, turn on all recommended automatic updates and security. Limit your release of personal information. Get a separate credit card (with low limit) for online purchases. Oh, and backup your data (I know most won't. And don't even get me started on off-site storage).
I too have Windows in the house.
Windows - 3 (one for wife, one for kid, one for my own personal torture)
Linux - 5 (three of them servers)
Apple - 1 (six if you count iPhones and iTouch)
Edits: 07/18/14
"They don't want to buy a new machine every hardware/software upgrade cycle. They don't want to maintain service packs, hot fixes, patches, virus updates, etc. (yes they can automate most updates, but eventually somebody is going to have to maintain it). They don't want hangs, crashes, blue screens and the inevitable loss of performance."
That's so hilarious. That used to be my hobby. I used to tweak my OS and registry glitch locators and virus programs and spyware scanners... I would tweak the running services, and start up programs. I would watch for "sneaky" installers from less-than-reputable software sources.
Then I would throw back my head and emit a boisterous evil-genius laugh when my four year old machine would 'clock' as well as a newer machines on (wait for it) PC Pitstop.
Ah, those were the days when playing with computers was FUN. I had time to KILL. I even did some "IT-light" work for friends, getting their internet connection working, ridding them of adware and spyware and making sure their internet connection was "stealth" back in the day when service ports would say "hello here I am" to any passersby in the darkness...
Now I am a part-time dad of two kids and I just want machines that work.
So far, Windows 7 has not been that bad, but now when I need to start googling solutions, doing registry hacks, installing "this" to remove "that" which I installed to fix "that other thing", yeah, I start to get pissed.
The biggest thing with computers (for me) is to avoid installing crap, opting out of crap when installing, using reputable software, and having dedicated computers - one for music, one for home computing and one for the kids to bugger up and destroy.
It's really not that bad for the more savvy user.
But for people like my mother-in-law, she needs to have windows reinstalled every 6-8 months. How she gets that much crap on her computer is anyone's guess. People think porn is the worst for viruses, but the worst machines are those plagued with "free games" that game with god-knows-what-else.
When I talk to people now I ask "Does your kid play minecraft?"
If they say no I tell them to uninstall Java. ;)
Cheers,
Presto
I have also banished software from 'leading' houses that tracks your usage and installs services without permission, opting instead for some free and much smaller applications.
There is absolutely no reason to install 2GB programs when a 50 Mb one does the job.
The extra 2 GB is needed to better hide NSA spy software.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
is used to display every Tom Dick and Harry who 'created' the software. Pain in the ...
is language packs so the original 50 meg program can run in ~148 different countries. Or something like that. I doubt very much that the NSA would be quite so obvious.
JE
If you're still running an older OS and can find 50MB programs, 2GB is fine. But not with modern OS's and modern PC's. With more capability, faster speeds, and more cheap RAM, you'll be hard pressed to find small compact applications. With abundant memory, programmers become lazy. ;-)
Not true, just spyware and stuff that super secretaries try to use and no use whatsoever in computer audio.
... some inmates here (one, actually) are unable to stay on topic of Computer Audio, trying to constantly venture into irrelevant general computer usage subjects, and veiled - or not so much - Apple propaganda.
May be not so puzzling after all, if one uses unfit for quality audio playback Mac. I was LMAO, reading notes of so called listening test of CD versus 24/96 downloads, by that same inmate (although subpar hearing played its part, I'm sure).
ANOTHER personal attack?
My, my.
I guess as long as you guys direct all of your comments about each other to me, the Moderators will let you all live another day!
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Someone's losing it.... oops I mean lost it.
... it's a giant you know what, brown and stinky, that he made a pile of first (like he usually does), and then fell flat on his face - right into it.
Getting back to the role modeling - you may want to reconsider, Ivan, while it's still not too late.
This is rather funny. I have not resorted to name calling (i.e. personal attacks), yet someone here continues to get bent out of shape. Oh well.
If that doesn't fit a definition of "personal attack", together with definition of "f...g retard" - nothing will.And, BTW - do you know what makes all his simple, silly, non-creative BS so convincing? It's the retarded smirk at the end of the sentence, like this: ;-)
Edits: 07/21/14
To be expected from the usual suspect. It's actually quite comical. I can almost see veins bulging from his forehead as he gets himself all spun up. ;-)
Personal attack? You are the master, with nothing to contribute on computer audio.
How about some recently deleted, by the same inmate in question, a.k.a. your role model?What is it with you being so eager to change his soiled diapers all the time?
Edits: 07/20/14
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