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In Reply to: RE: Finally – Beautiful Digital Sound posted by Bob_C on March 29, 2014 at 22:53:45
I think Mr. Mahoney needs to try MQN.
SBGK is in the vanguard of player tweakers and it is sad his work is neglected here.
Tweaking the newest versions of WINDOWS is hampered by the fact that no one to my knowledge has figured out how to disengage WINDOWS FILE PROTECTION.
One can nibble around at the edges, basically doing what cics recommended all those years ago. From what has been let on about OPTIMIZER is that it is a batch file that makes it easy. It doesn't do anything you cannot do for yourself.
I have found deleting files to be impossible - I should say the .dlls and drivers I want to delete. You can delete stuff that makes little if any difference but that is where you are stopped. And for all I know SERVER does not need the massive deletions that XP excelled with. But until someone figures out how to remove file protection we will never know.
Follow Ups:
"From what has been let on about OPTIMIZER is that it is a batch file that makes it easy. It doesn't do anything you cannot do for yourself."
Actually so much more than that.
"And for all I know SERVER does not need the massive deletions that XP excelled with."
Server 2012 is in another universe compared to XP, but still needs the improvement that the Audiophile Optimizer provides.
''But until someone figures out how to remove file protection we will never know."
Some of us already know...
I have played around with SERVER quite a bit. I know what you can and cannot do with it
TO REPEAT: There is nothing in OPTIMIZER you could not do for yourself and that means no reduction in size. Beyond adjustments the next big step, as found previously with XP, is file deletions.
Are you saying you know how to disable FILE PROTECTION? Are you saying the OPTIMIZER has discovered a way to disable FILE PROTECTION?
What is the size of your WINDOWS folder? How much smaller is it than it was to begin with, before OPTIMIZER? I suspect it is the same size. In fact, I am sure it is.
You need to look at other FORUMS and you will see there is not universal agreement that the OPTIMIZER is so optimum.
What modifications/improvements had you done to XP? Are you talking about XP as installed? If so, you have no ideal what XP could do.
Glad you are happy.
Rick, you know I participated from nearly the first in the evolution of cMP, regard it highly and still use it. But these developments for the first time seem possibly an advance over that, which may involve a better alternative to rampant slimming. File removal is not a belief system but a rather crude though effective way of making improvements in the windows jungle. It's like using a machete. It seems logical to me that a more surgical and informed optimization could do better.
However, I would be very interested in links to forums where skeptical and negative reviews of AO and server 2012 can be considered to round out a take on these developments.
Since I am using MQN which I thought I had made clear I have to use something other than XP, which I also thought I had made clear. My point was THE PLAYER is the most important thing and then you use an OS the player requires.
There are many good things about SERVER and many bad things. What a surprise. My point was this batch file which could be duplicated and likely even improved by an intrepid hobbyist is not the last word on making SERVER work its best since, I suspect, it does little more than duplicate cics's initial setting for using XP. Based upon what I have read in other forums and the authors own paper.
The stumbling block for getting the best out of SERVER and the players that need a 64 bit platform is finding out how to rid the thing of file protection so we can calm the thing down.
As I said earlier - it could well be that this, if done, will not make any difference. Who knows until we have tried it?
I am amused when someone thinks an OS made for a wide range of uses cannot be improved by customizing it for a very specific use. But then I have not spent 100 euros on a batch file so I have not got my ego entangled in my audio system.
I have not used XP for over a year. I am not entangled in XP in any way. I have deleted all of my old installs. No going back. Nonetheless, there was intimation that minimized XP was not stable and that was not the case. My XP install started and stopped or stayed on for days with no glitches at all once finalized.
Pretty much everything you posted above is inaccurate, and some actual fiction.It is all good though.
It would be nice if we talk more about what we really know, and do first hand without bias, assumption and innuendo.
But no problem. Some people still like wearing polyester... lol
Edits: 04/10/14
"It seems logical to me that a more surgical and informed optimization could do better."
It really is better.
It is hard to understand how anyone who have never used the software can know so much about it. It is also is rather weird that he is using server 2012 which was first recommended by Phil. Phil is a very talented professional programer and a serious audiophile, not just someone fooling with software. He actually supports his product and goes the extra mile to insure AO users get their systems up and running. Read the testimonials on Computer Audiophile.
"However, I would be very interested in links to forums where skeptical and negative reviews of AO and server 2012 can be considered to round out a take on these developments."
There aren't any...
"I have played around with SERVER quite a bit. I know what you can and cannot do with it"
Do you think that there are actual OS professionals that might know more than you. Not everyone is "PLAYING AROUND"...
"TO REPEAT: There is nothing in OPTIMIZER you could not do for yourself and that means no reduction in size. Beyond adjustments the next big step, as found previously with XP, is file deletions."
Thank you oh omnipotent one, we now know all we need to know. BTW, WTF does size on the disk have to do with anything??? smh... You really think DISK size matters... Are we in the dark ages? Should I be putting leaches on my computer also???
"Are you saying you know how to disable FILE PROTECTION? Are you saying the OPTIMIZER has discovered a way to disable FILE PROTECTION?"
I would always recommend using protection... :)
Try it yourself and see...
"What is the size of your WINDOWS folder? How much smaller is it than it was to begin with, before OPTIMIZER? I suspect it is the same size. In fact, I am sure it is."
Again... Why does that matter. It is what is running and how stable the OS is not how small.
"You need to look at other FORUMS and you will see there is not universal agreement that the OPTIMIZER is so optimum."
Really... Where is this???
"What modifications/improvements had you done to XP? Are you talking about XP as installed? If so, you have no ideal what XP could do."
Many moons ago, I have moved on. Sometime progress in a good thing. Until you have ACTUALLY done something and not just "played around" it would be nice if you don't insist you are correct. In this instance IMO you are not.
it will be true.
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