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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 12:31:58
With apologies to Varese ...
Having been without any digital since my third JULI@ died and having no desire to buy another one I started reading so much good about Lorien's WaveIO (not to mention Jack Wong saying he had got one) I decided to get it and see what could be done with a minimal XP Pro install.
Jack's ISO was missing too much USB stuff to get this to work and as much as I love Jack and his brain I remain slightly doubtful there is that much difference between XP and HOME when you get it down to almost nothing.
I am in the midst of assembling Doede Douma's DDDAC1794 so all of my minimizing has been done silently. I have no idea how it sounds! My premise remains that the smaller the OS the better so I see no need to listen to it along the way.
One can get rid of most everything we could get rid of before. Of course, there are the USB entries and since USB has dependency on PCI there is still much of that remaining. The registry ends up being larger. At this point I think I have removed all that I can. I am at 44kB.
I did find, and have no idea if it is something we missed the "first time", that isapnp.sys can be removed from the drivers folder and all mentions of it in the registry. Not enough to balance out all of the USB related stuff that must remain.
In deference to Serge I used NTFS for this install. He feels strongly it is superior to FAT. The NTFS.sys is significantly larger than fastfat.sys which leads to a larger OS "size".
So my windows folder is 17.2 mB mainly because many of Jack's special .dlls and .syss will not work with USB or something. Luckily the micro-shell works just fine.
Into the project I was contacted by Dave Bruce who has been working with WaveIO since the spring with a minimized windows install and he is very pleased with what he is hearing.
SO, if anyone is still looking at this thread I hope this will inspire others to use cMP within the USB "craze" and due to devices like WaveIO it is most likely the way to go.
Hope to have my DAC working this weekend and be able to tell how good it is. Too long ago to be able to make comparisons to JULI@/cMP but hard to beat the LP reference for judgement.
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Hi Rick
Looking forward to hearing your sound impressions. I was one of the early adopters of WaveIO... first on CMP, and then on MPDPUP. I continue to be very happy with WaveIO. Run it with good linear power supply.
I really love my WaveIO driving a TDA1541A with tube output. Next step is to rebuild the DAC, WaveIO, and ALIX into an integrated music server to keep signal wires short. All power supplies fully tricked out with salas shunts on the digital and all film cap and choke dual mono tube section. All electric parts collected and now building the chassis. keeping a build blog at http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/blogs/wlowes/
We are still listening :)
Only reason I will switch from cmp^2 is for dsd playback capability. If cics or Serge ever updated cplay for dsd playback I would be done.
You will have to have two set-ups.
Guys, I have been worrying a lot about about some day in the future when I won't be able to run my cmp..even if it is 10 years from now. I assume the only cause would be that pci asio sound cards or motherboards will fail and new ones won't support xp. Is this a real problem and if so, how many years away is that?
Can you send some links to other forums where the other main contributors went so I can see what they are tinkering with now? I'm sure I won't defect, mostly because I don't have the time. I just don't want to be lost someday and not be able to find the people I already trust and have all the expertise I've benefited from (leeching is another word)over the past six years or so. You just can't find a new forum and believe someone who says, "This is the best computer based audio set up I've ever heard".
I also have a bunch of dsd albums but have yet to make a cmp install with the only software I have to play it. jriver. It requires directx, which I removed with XPlite. I know you've all got your xp installs really small, and used other applications to get there, but after doing xplite I was only able to do some slimming. I'm sure directx would be a big no no. For those doing dsd, is there slimmer software other than jriver I can use until the software theob has been asking for magically appears? I'm also a bit sad not to have something that can recognize the sample rate and set the output to match.
Lots of questions in here that may not have an answer. Just thought I'd post while those of you that are left happen to be looking.
Mike
I understand that there is a juli@ pci-e card available that is very similar if not identical functionally to the juli@ pci card. So don't worry . I also hope there is some white knight out there that can adapt cplay to dsd.
Edits: 08/10/13
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