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In Reply to: RE: We have to get back to the basics! posted by Bibo01 on August 16, 2012 at 01:14:13
Hi BiBo01,We certainly have to come up with a strategy on this.
My own feeling is that we ought to set off from a nLite reduced XP.
nLite offers the possibillity of define exactly which components can be taken out. This is done via an .ini file (easy to distribute Notepad-file)so that we at least all have the same set-off point.
The idea of an .ISO file has leagal problems, so that´s a no go.
We would also need to agree on some kind of a standard as to how the harddisk´s are to be configured.What I would like we could do, is to enroll the various steps in maybe 4 chapters.
Each communicating how the hives are changed and what elements (DLL & drivers) are to be moved/deleted.Maybe we should also look into a different webspace than the cPlay forum, as I could imagine a more convinent platform to operate such undertaking.
And we´ll need to find a webmaster for this (Serge ?).I really feel we ought to preserve this grandiose system and the development that started with some "belgian beer".
-despite that cics might be on a different chip/trip...kind regards
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
Edits: 08/16/12Follow Ups:
With all due respect there are folks on this forum with differing talents. You cant just assign responsibilities to others who may not share your priorities. For example Serge is undeniably the 'spear of the arrow' type. He is the leading/bleeding edge of unbelievable tweaks. I think he likes doing that and will probably continue to do that. I also hope Serge continues in this effort. Jack is very good at a completely new iso based system that I like to call Jwindows. Jack does what he wants to do and will continue this way. I also hope Jack continues in this effort. Others are very good at communication/clarity of language in describing the steps necessary to achieve certain levels of tweaking . In fact I know of at least 2 efforts to start a coordinated documentation of all this cplay/cmp stuff. But in both cases as far as I know both efforts never got out of the gate. Why this never happened is open to debate but I think some folks dont like being given assignments by others that are not aligned with what they like/want to do. So this will always be a difficult task. We are forever beholden to cics and others who participated in the creation of the cmp website. Now that was an acomplishment given all the potential roadblocks discussed above.
So what should an audiophile do? In the absence of an overall bullet proof website I submit one should ask questions on this forum to help get a discussion started to 'get at' the clarity we all seek.
Hey theob,
...I was not trying "to assign duties" in my post,and I very well aware of how difficult it is.
What I was trying express was that I think some of these "steps" are findings that others deserve to understand, even if someone is joining in at a later point, or not neccessary spend 5 hours a day on his cMP rig.
Plain: a summary
I think the way to get there is possible if a certain structure is agreed upon. We deal with DLL´s and drivers; we deal in changing/deleting stuff from the registry; and there are certain "tricks" in changing difficult-to-get-rid-of modules, right ?
Certain things are obvious stuff, and other things do alter the functionality.
If we had a platform and a structure, I´m pretty sure we could work it out. Maybe not to the fullest potential, but at least to gain a bit of ground.
Let me suggest to do a "copy&paste" document of the steps 1-8 and edit it to my understanding. Then proof-read it by a volunteer with some experience in this.
Often things get stuck in the complexsity and a too wide a scope.
I´m happy to put in some effort, but I can´t do it on my own....
kind regards
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
No offence was meant ... so with that aside, sure I can help too. But somebody has to be the organizer. Are you that person? I know I will not be the organizer but will help where I can. But remember there are approaches taken here that some do not believe in. For example some have expressed not agreeing with the totality of what Serge recommended. I think it was Jolida who only believes in a subset of Serge's 22 steppes. How do you reconcile that with Serge, Jack, Serge Mihaylov approach? If this were a business and I was the program manager of this task I would know how to approach it. But for a volunteer, 'we dont really know each other' and 'sometimes disagree' this is tough. I still think that someone seeking info should ask questions right here on an 'as needed' basis. Generally those here are usually very helpful in that way.
Edits: 08/16/12
" For example some have expressed not agreeing with the totality of what Serge recommended. I think it was Jolida who only believes in a subset of Serge's 22 steppes. "
As in what..???
Junaid
Based on my memory you indicated that you felt stopping @ Steppe 6 was best for you. Also you had mentioned that your cd player was better than cmp^2. If something has changed I was not aware of it.
I believe Steppe intends to come out with a step-by-step guide of how to achieve a super slimmed cMP2.
I hope that it will be taken into account the possibility to mantain USB, FW or LAN!
Hi Play-mate,
Months ago when I asked to organize the tweaks I also offered the Italian cMP2 forum I represent. As a matter of fact, there I posted both the nLite XP Jolida version and a few "super tweaks" by Steppe which many people are happily using.
However, here a few users wanted to continue along the "wild" experimental route, others wanted to organize but did not deliver.
I personally felt that a lot of effort was spent by Steppe and others on not verifiable results as real improvements and not just simple side steps. For example, the use of nLite XP version gives different results with different sound cards when used as DACs.
With no measurements of any kind on noise, jitter or differences on the analog outputs, it's all too empirical!
That's why I said - give me an EXE. A before and after situation can be measured. A tweak no.69 that is good only when tweak 4-8, 25-31 and 45-51 are implemented, has no use to me - period!
Sorry if I sound too aggressive. I care for this project and I put a lot of effort in helping people to know it and appreciate it.
I would still like to see effort put in the development of cMP shell, in cPlay's better asio compatibility and DSD playback.
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