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In Reply to: RE: Something is Wrong Here-No posted by fmak on April 10, 2012 at 12:02:18
Actually Fred, the base with the upgraded power supply retailed for $2400. You can go with the Baskik for $995.
I'm a little surprised that you are so negative about the Base without even having listened to one. That's not like you.
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not adverse to trying one.
However, I am adverse to BS marketing and inflated prices for products whose functions are disguised in crap language.
I don't post here about what I do in terms of setup but for many years I have used an EM detector to space out components to avoid particularly magnetc interference. There are also EM shielding products which are much cheaper than $1000 which you can place around components.
The point in question is the ad hoc nature of the Base and some of your other hit-miss changes, whilst not addressing the basic nature of possible improvements to digital audio tranmsission and playback (such as fan noise and high speed hdds n+v). I have detailed these in the past and this typically resulted in emotive responses from you; eg: you take components which are not EM shielded sufficiently, you put a EM and grounded 'shield' around it; What do you end up with? I just don't believe that the Base can always improve SQ as claimed. Hence my reservations.
My audio us guided by the need to have basic grounds for doing something. I am not adverse tro trying anything new, but I am adverse to being bambozzled with pseudo science.
A reasonable response.
I'm with Fred on this one. We're both engineers and don't like BS.
I'll try out a cheap tweak for amusement purposes, but I'm not going to spend more than an hour's pay for something that doesn't come with a credible description of what it does and how it works. I wouldn't have the slightest interest in even listening to it in the absence of evidence of some sort. That evidence would have to come from someone who has technical experience of component interaction and system setup and some experience conducting scientific experiments. Without a description of the physical principles behind a device, I wouldn't begin to presume how to even conduct a valid experiment to see if a gadget worked. I have enough experience with listening tests to know how easily they can fool someone.
I were going to investigate some new physical principles embodied in some device that I consider having a low probability of working, I would expect there to be a huge potential payoff involved before I would waste my time on it. (It might make sense to experiment with cold fusion devices, but not some audiophile tweak that has been reported to expand a soundstage beyond the size of an actual concert stage. So what?)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
"I wouldn't have the slightest interest in even listening to it in the absence of evidence of some sort."
Actually, I'd love to try it, if I couldn't hear any effect, that would be fine, if I could that would be interesting.
Evidence-wise Steve is a pretty good witness in my book and he likes it. Actually that's the only thing lending this device any credibiliity. Of all the audiophilish things I've heard of, this one seems to be at the limit, even it's putative function is fuzzy!
So if you happen to come by one of these bases treat it as the black box that it is. Not knowing what it does should remove all sorts of biases from your test...
Regards, Rick
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Clear to me Steve has no vested interest in the product and is willing to share his experience. That's what this place is partly about.
Regards,
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Absolutely he is not trying to promote the product even with glowing reviews. But I do think Steve is right when he said he is "out of step with this forum" because few if anyone here is willing to spend $1k for the product.
Conversely there are dirt cheap products that I try like crystals, that I will never come on 'this' forum and explain the benefits of simply because I know no body here is interested in trying them...
Of course people will be dubious, especially when a product does not adequately describe how it works. Surely no body would expect people to openly accept this without question.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
I'm sorry I wasted you time."It might make sense to experiment with cold fusion devices, but not some audiophile tweak that has been reported to expand a soundstage beyond the size of an actual concert stage"
I never stated that.
Enough.
Edits: 04/10/12
You don't like the price of the device in question - and neither do I. But...
There's pretty good probability that crystals are involved, in one form or another, in construction of Tranquility base. There's also pretty good theories WHY piezo- and pyro-electric crystals affect sound quality.
How many times did someone mention here, on Tweakers etc. that crystals make audible difference, including in computer audio applications?
Time involved is less than 30 min. to complete eBay order, and however much you need to conduct listening test. Money involved - around $10-15.
Is the fact that you haven't bothered to try them ALSO explained by the reasons that you mentioned in your post?
tried crystals and can certainly hear a difference. Not always good like the 'a-typical' claim but a difference non-the-less. With the right crystal the audible change is nothing short of outstanding.
I too thought crystals were involved based on the explaination of the sound improvements.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Besides the $1K plus for cables and crap we also need a magic base to get the best out of the Mac.
Who said Computers don't make for great sources....as long as you invest a few thousand bucks to fix them.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
It probably would benefit that Bryston BD-1 as well. Many opinions with no actual first hand experience.
Have you tried it under your Dac or other components?
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
They say it makes a big difference under DACs, etc. But no, I haven't tried it yet under other components.
Your DAC has all kinds of fancy circuitry to attenuate jitter and other noise coming from the computer. One would think therefore that your DAC has reduced the amount of effect the base might have on it's output when the base is used on the computer.
I was rather amazed that the first place to start with the base wasn't under the DAC or under a downstream preamp or amplifier. Indeed, the idea that putting the base under the computer was a suitable place was the very first sign that something was wrong. I haven't been so put off by BS since the initial Amarra episodes two years ago. (Before Amarra was The Memory Player.)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
The device originally was made to condtion computers. I thought this would be a good place to start. And I was right.
The big problem I see is that I'm out of step with this forum. Big time.
No one else tries this stuff here, and by the looks of things, no one wants to hear about it.
I did aquire a degree in psychology along the way, so I have some appreciation for what you are discussing.
The big problem here is that you haven't heard the Base. And if you did, you wouldn't trust yourself to believe what you're hearing.
Adios Amigo
Ho ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think if Merc truly believes in this product he will buy one for each of his components.
Nothing like putting your money where your mouth is....
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
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