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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 13:31:58
As you may know I had a hard down for a few days but finally got the system to boot after I installed a 1 gb memory plus other stuff. I went through the massive file deletion/registry changes of last few months in a one day marathon today. Then I tried to replace the 1 gb memory with a 256 mb memory but of course it would not install properly for cplay. I should say it booted but cplay said zero memory so it would not play. Any ideas? Anybody know which files are needed?
Put back all stuff mihaylov said was required for cplay/cmp and I still get a ' Not enough ram for playbackmin required 160 mb
physical ram available 139 mb
physical ram total is 0 mb'as a typical error in cplay. I played with the boot.ini file with my 1 gig ram in and it greatly affects available ram for playback. But with it same as before I dont have enough ram with a 256 stick but it used to run ok before. Puzzling?
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These are not for you smart guys out there (you know who you are) but for the rest of us.
1) Copyto is a very easy to use sw and can be used to goto your ultimate 'slimmed down xp' with a few clicks. This is very useful for going back to some 'useable xp level' to do registry tweaks. In my case I go back to a 2011-9-14 level os, make registry changes, then get back to a 40 mb windows with copyto.
2) If you do the above make sure you leave your earlier level os in cmp mode (with all of its own registry changes) other wise you cant reboot. Experience is the best teacher here.
3) When you get a HAL error make sure you try reflashing your bios before giving up. It was my key for getting out of a noboot condition.
4) Rebooting is necessry for implementing registry changes.
5) Use of an imaging program like Snapshot or Ghost is an absolute must to diagnose/solve issues. If you dont have one get one if you want the ultimate is computer audio operating system. Everybody makes mistakes.
It does work like a charm...thanks Jack. Serge (Steppe) you have zero to apologize for...we all do these tweaks knowing that something can and will go amiss ocassionally. Given that all your other, what maybe 1000+ tweaks went well, I'd say you have a pretty good track record.
Happy holidays to all.
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I went back again and reloaded a 2011-9-14 version of my os. It played well with the 256 ram. I am going to save my file deletions for last and do with copyto. So I started doing registry tweaks for Steppe 5 onward...checking play works after a reboot. I got all the way up to resetting non paged pool size to 4194304 and when I tried to run cplay it said error no ram available. I reset it back to zero and rebooted and it plays ok. Why it worked before I dont know. Maybe I never did it right, maybe I dont know what I did. Did anybody do this while using 256 ram? Should the number be different fo 256k ram?Oh yes it should be different. I just read rick's comments wherein he had to half the number for his 512k ram. So I guess I have to use 4194304 divided by 4.
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Memory size of 4194304 bytes (4 mb) is very small size and will certainly be depleted . Why this setting?
to advice it. I was hoping to enable large pages for awe - not 4kb, but 4mb in size - so that processor wouldn't have to pace to and from memory all the time. Thinking that awe locked pages in nonpaged pool I suggested this setting, but didn't find the answer to the second part of the equation. So it remains in my and other folks' cmps. Those, who made the change are probably advised to set the non-paged pool to 0 (default)
Serge
your courage and innovation have made all these big changes possible.
I'm giving up on this path. I got an old cmp image back into my ssd disc (back 3 months), loaded in my 256 mb ram and it booted and played cplay fine. Then I tried to synchronize my latest os (the one I redid yesterday manually) to the disc via copyto and it loaded the files. But when I tried to boot it booted but would not play for lack of ram. Was I supposed to use as a source my ultimate os that I had before the swap of mobo/cpu? I'm a little confused now.
I guest you did.
Do you have another stick of 256mb Ram for testing? Sometimes, Ram can go wrong. To save your time and efforts re-installing a new Windows, but to find out later that it wouldn't work either, you should make sure your Ram is healthy.
If you install with a new Windows and still can't get it working on different set of 256mb RAM, there's a problem with the mobo.
Here is what I did
1) Reloaded a 3 mo old version of my ultimate os in my cmp pc with the 256 ram installed. Ran cplay and it worked ok.
2) Tried to synchronize via Copyto my ultimate os (all file deletions) that ran with this same hw but with 1 gb ram. This booted but when I tried to run cplay I got the error message 'not enough ram'.
I like the Copyto software. I will likely use again for other stuff but I think as Mihaylov suggested I must have something occupying big chunks of ram. Maybe when I went through my marathon files deletions manually I screwed up something in the registry.
given that you already knew what files should be kept/removed.This works for me, on the condition that the same hardware are used for re-installation:
1. Reload your ultimate Windows image to the C drive. Boot from another PC and copy everything in the C drive to a folder, e.g. Windows Backup.
2. Do a fresh Windows Installation, with all the optimizations, including all registry tweaks, on your G31 mobo with the original ram. Make sure Cplay and CMP are working with your 256mb ram. No file deletion yet. For the registry tweaks, to save time you may load hive and export different parts of tweaked registry and load them into the new Windows.
3. Download CopyTo from http://www.kish-d.com and install on the other PC.4. Run copyto on the other PC. Compare the "Windows Backup folder" to the newly installed Windows on "C drive". Run synchronize to delete unwanted files all at once. Don't worry, it will not delete any wanted files.
With the presence of a Windows backup folder, I am able to reinstall and restore an ultimate Windows in less than one hour.
This works charmingly for me and I no longer run batch files. However, things are different with a different sound card.
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This is a cool way todo it. Let me understand
'...2. Do a fresh Windows Installation, with all the optimizations, including all registry tweaks, on your G31 mobo with the original ram. Make sure Cplay and CMP are working with your 256mb ram. No file deletion yet. For the registry tweaks, to save time you may load hive and export different parts of tweaked registry and load them into the new Windows...'
I take it I could load an earlier snapshot of cmp os (with the 256 mb stick installed) instead of doing a fresh install. Correct?
If yes cant wait to try this.
Of course, you can. If it works with your 256mb ram, that's OK.
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One more question will Copyto work with an image provided by Snapshot which is what I use to copy my ssd os every week or so? If not how do you make an image of your ultimat c drive?
Copyto compares real files and doesn't work on images such as Ghost. As such it takes 2 steps, 1st to load an image to C drive(booting up is not necessary), and 2nd to extract the windows files, in order to conduct comparison and deletion.
Copyto is a only tool to delete unwanted files under this circumstance, image of your ultimate C drive was already taken by Snapshots or Ghost etc during different stages of tweak.
The process mentioned will only work, if and only if, a list of Windows files is known or present.
When you sysnchronize your hd os with a backup windows (ultimate file deletion) does it just do the files and not reset the registry?
No. If a file exists, the synchronization will not touch or remove it. Only extra files will be deleted. If you choose "update", older files will be replaced by newer ones.
If you worry, there are many ways to preserve the config folder. You may synchronize folder to folder, e.g. system32/driver(backup Windows) to system32/driver. You will need to move all .dlls etc to a folder on both windows/system32. Just synchronize this folder without tampering with the config file. The simplest way is to backup the config folder and put the backup back after synchronization.
ok thanks.
I am not at home so I cant run my pc but did anybody find which files task manager need? I'm sure mihaylov is on to something. Also jolida I will try the .rom files first thing.
Here:
Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/
My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H, Intel Core i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Liv
Thank you Serge!
At you it is banal there is no free memory for cPlay's start. It is necessary to find out where it got to. For this purpose it is necessary to start somehow the Task Manager and to look at what process eats off a lot of memory. Somehow so.
Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/
My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H, Intel Core i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Liv
remove /maxmem=256 switch altogether, to allow windows to see full stick and to find addresses for it. I had this insufficient memory warning with cplay but the deficit was only 1-3 mb and it was memory timings' dependent. Are the old and new sticks otherwise totally identical - manufacturer, speed... Are You putting it in the same bank (white slot). Also, when You were making deletions, was there a 1 gb stick still on the mobo, or you put 256 and started the deletions? I would guess You had 1 gb, deleted everything and then put back 256 mb stick. For windows it is a hardware change, and as all services and files are deleted, it cannot properly initiate plug-n-play/install new hardware automatic routine.
Serge
'...remove /maxmem=256 switch altogether, to allow windows to see full stick and to find addresses for it...'
I tried that ...did not work.
'... I had this insufficient memory warning with cplay but the deficit was only 1-3 mb and it was memory timings' dependent. Are the old and new sticks otherwise totally identical - manufacturer, speed...'
Same sticks I have used for 4 years.
'... Are You putting it in the same bank (white slot). Also, when You were making deletions, was there a 1 gb stick still on the mobo, or you put 256 and started the deletions? I would guess You had 1 gb, deleted everything and then put back 256 mb stick. For windows it is a hardware change, and as all services and files are deleted, it cannot properly initiate plug-n-play/install new hardware automatic routine...'
Same slot, yes I started with 1 gb did deletions then put in the 256 mb. Looks like I have to have yet another do-over. Put in hardware 1st then do the deletions.
Thanks Serge
Anybody know which files need to be restored for windows to do this?
I doubt you would have any problem using the 256 from the beginning.
Especially if you do an nLite install ...
Just make sure you use default voltage settings for the installation. I would leave all other settings (for your board) the same as cMP.
You are right. In the process of debugging my problem I swapped in a new stick then forgot about it until I noticed I was getting 8 minutes + before a memory swap. So unless I can pull a rabbit out of the hat by substituting a few files I'll have to do it over anyway.
Have u tried restoring the bios.rom @ other '.rom' files & checked???
Junaid
Do you mean all the files with a rom extenesion?
Yes... Can give it a try !!
Junaid
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