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In Reply to: Re: shut up posted by Fear3000 on June 26, 2000 at 12:09:51:
But they don't play rock and roll very well.BTW, What's the etymology of your Moniker?
Just curious.
;-}
And also, BTW, the only "censorship" I've called for here is the deletion of Da-Bronx's post -- and I have not changed my view on that.
But surely, not being able to call a woman a whore in this forum isn't going to cramp your style too much.
> > BTW, What's the etymology of your Moniker? < <Here's the short version:
In the mid-late 80s, when I had a gig spinning Goth/Techno/DeathDisco at a club, I came across an article lampooning that scene. The author made a reference to the DJ being named 'Fear2000,' a handle I later used myself. As years passed and I got a personal internet account, I chose to use Fear3000 as my screen name.
> > And also, BTW, the only "censorship" I've called for here is the deletion of Da-Bronx's post -- and I have not changed my view on that. < <Here's what I don't like:
"The moderator has zero tolerance for defamatory personal attacks."
...where's the line drawn? If I call someone a moron, an idiot or a pigfucker, will that be deleted also?
" The other posting rules DO apply. No flames, no trash-talking, no foul-mouthed posts, no ads, and so on. "
No Flames? No trash-talking? What's the difference between writing 'buttwipe' and 'asswipe?' Everyone knows what is meant, but somehow we're reduced from being concenting adults to little kids being watched by a moderator who'll intervene if the language gets too hot.
> > But surely, not being able to call a woman a whore in this forum isn't going to cramp your style too much. < <I certainy didn't see a personal need to call Suzy a 'whore,' but that in no way, shape or form would cause me to change the Outside policy. Suzy's thrown flames here herself and enjoyed the freedom afforded by the Outside policy, but once something was directed at her she chose to play victim. Worse, she wants to be treated as an equal, and not as a female, yet she plays the female card as it suits her disingenuos motives. I'm surprized the Bored fell for it.
Mr.X was taken care of my the denizens of this board, and that's how it should be.
Best Wishes,
Felix
I can't do hypotheticals. The directions are for "light" moderation; and that's what it'll be.The Bored are, frankly, a little divided on what Outside should be or whether it should be at all. And a pretty good number don't want its existence advertised. Like it or not, it is a part of AA. And what goes on here does, to some degree, reflect on AA. So a little control seems appropriate.
As I'm sure you know, people will write things to each other on the internet that they wouldn't think of saying F2F. I think the idea of moderating here is to keep the place from becoming a cesspool.
As far as Suzy, I'll not comment. You've probably read my other posts on that subject here. People are entitled to play their games here and others are entitled to blow the whistle on those games. But some stuff is just over the line, as I think you and I agree.
Thanks for the explanation of "F3K," I never would have guessed.
> > And a pretty good number don't want its existence advertised. < <Frankly, I never thought otherwise.
> > Like it or not, it is a part of AA. And what goes on here does, to some degree, reflect on AA. < <Of course it does. What this latest action says about AA is that the participants are too thin skinned to allow open discussions on a board specifically created for that purpose. I thought it was a great idea to have an Outside. If anything, it showed AA to be open to free discourse when the topic or thrust of a conversation didn't meet AA's posting guidelines.
> > So a little control seems appropriate. < <Obviously this is where we greatly disagree.
> > As I'm sure you know, people will write things to each other on the internet that they wouldn't think of saying F2F. < <Maybe yes, maybe no - depends on the individual. I have absolutely no trouble believing that Victor, John E, Dan B, Joe II-K, etc would have no trouble what so ever expressing themselves in person. OTOH, those who would not are easily exposed, as was demonstrated on this very board.
By the same token, many folks post audio opinions on the main board which they'd never have the guts to express F2F with other 'philes. I don't see the Board trying to stop them, do you?
> > I think the idea of moderating here is to keep the place from becoming a cesspool. < <I don't think there's a need to build a strawman just to be able to tear him down :-)
> > People are entitled to play their games here and others are entitled to blow the whistle on those games. < <I'm not sure I understand. What is there to blow the whistle on if everyone was playing by the same rules? You see, this is the crux of the problem. If an individual is not interested in playing, no one forces him/her to participate. If an individual does enter the arena, gets beaten up and then cries foul, well, that's were my sympathy ends.
> > But some stuff is just over the line, as I think you and I agree. < <That's the thing; I don't agree. I see no reason why we can't be trusted to take care of ourselves. We're not children.
> > Thanks for the explanation of "F3K," I never would have guessed < <I think most folks think it has something to do with my, sometimes firm, posting style. [Grin]
Best Wishes,
Felix
This was poorly worded on my part:> > People are entitled to play their games here and others are entitled to blow the whistle on those games. < <
I was intending to refer to posters in both instances, not posters in the first instance and moderators in the second; and I was thinking of trollers. In other words, that people who troll should be prepared to get called down for it by others.
I agree that if a person "can't stand the heat," he/she should "get out of the kitchen" but, at some point the rest of us don't want to hear that kind of squabble. It just drives people away. And at that point, it ought to end or move to private e-mails, it seems to me.
A discussion can only go to a point -- either an agreement is reached or areas of disagreement are identified. When it goes beyond that point, people just calling each other names, unless they are very clever and witty, it's just not entertaining for anyone else. So, that's where I think it ought to end.
If people want to be totally unmoderated, they can go elsewhere. But if they think the people around here have something to say worth hearing, they can stick around.
BTW, I'd rate the chances of this forum continuing in any form at about 50-50.
regards
Bruce
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