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In Reply to: Re: At last, a decent retort! posted by jazz inmate on May 28, 2002 at 13:53:31:
I am not a racist. As a human hopeful that peace is possible, I simply wanted to explore the options - all options. That said, you've made some very good points but don't be angry at me. One point I think you are wrong about. I never said anyone should "force a relocation", only open up our collective arms to a people we respect. Another point I would disagree with is "Israel doesn't need luck". The hell is doesn't! All the nukes, tanks and guns in the world can't deter the fundamentalists and there are WAY more of them then there are jews. I sincerely wish them luck because they will need it. As far as terrorism, you made your point that you believe one must fight. I simply disagree. The strongest, the bravest have the balls to walk away from madness. Your pride will kill you (along with grandmas, children, and everyone else that dares to go into a public place in Israel). Like I said, best of luck.
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confronted with the sight of a one year old baby. With half it's face blown off. Ever. At some point, with your back turned, you realise it may be easier to turn and face the stones. Rather than meekly hope they stop. "The strongest, the bravest have the balls to walk away from madness." Myself, when I walk away from a fight, it's because I simply can't be bothered with cutting my knuckles on some bozoid's teeth. Or tearing a shirt. Or trashing some chi chi sunglasses. But, when I chose to stand and deliver, it is because sometimes it's just a lot easier than going out of my way. It is a concious decision I make. Not based on fear, anger or pride. Life is not worth much if you share it with murderers. In fact it's worth nothing. So, feel free to share your world with whomever you like. Does this mean there is something of merit in killing grandmas sharing an afternoon with their tiny grandchild? Because they are living life. Instead of running from sick f*cks who would pretend there is some majesty in snuffing out the life of a baby? Victor is right, what a waste of bandwidth.
You're a hawk, I'm not. I avoid the destructive nature of humanity at all cost (without a belief in organized religion, it's all I have the separates me from common animals). Call me a pussy, a pacifist, a hippy, whatever. I'll live my life without killing, or dying for a country, a religion, or a cause. You'll die with the rest of proud folks. I'll be elsewhere if at all possible and I'm very comfortable and confident in that.
Believe it or not, someone can see things completely different than you and still not be a hawk. Quit trying to pigeon-hole and label people.
I should not have labeled you - I apologize
with a physical threat to your person? Me, a hawk, hardly. I'm as hippie dippy peace loving as they come (believe it!). But that gives no one the right to assault my person. I respond at my discretion. I live in a major metropolitan area. Plenty of *ssholes, not enough turlit seats to put them on. I'm usually long gone before there is even a hint of confrontation.
before aggession starts. I believe one needs to be proactive in preventing violence. One must approach life with flexibility, and open mind, and a sense of empathy to achieve on-going peace. Something that most nations do not do well at all, IMO.To your question, when faced with aggression, I've always managed to settle the confrontation without killing or even hurting anyone. I long ago imposed a self restriction on violence and have always managed to find another way, another solution to any potentially violent situation. Without that restriction, it's far to easy to resort to duking it out.
encountering a person who is beyond any reason. Luck seems to be with you. On one occasion three years ago, I was with a person who was recovering from large invasive surgery a couple of weeks prior. Avoidance just wasn't possible. The only option was to deal with the pest. The entire event was very calm and measured. I hope that you continue to enjoy your peaceful kharma. As I do. But I always pay attention to my surroundings. And am always ready, should my thinking fail to keep me out of the path of those who aren't as mellow.
Well I never said you were a racist. I said if you were proposing the other side of the equation and implying that Palestinians should be relocated, you would be called a racist (but not by me).Jews have been walking away from people who want to kill them since time immemorial. Who are you to say it's braver to walk away yet again, rather than take a stand? Who are you to say what is worth fighting for, or to what extent luck is involved? It's your opinion. Nothing more.
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