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poor ol' SOB
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What a load. You need to change pants, soonest.
Geo. Washington, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Ronald Reagan. These were the greatist and most effective presidents. They don't make them like this anymore.
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BEFORE he was elected---and whose support was key. Please note when it was that GE's sales went through the roof...
By an overwhelming consensus of those who were around him....a smiling nincompoop who had at least the sense to do as his handlers dictated.
Outside of W, perhaps the dimmest bulb to illuminate the Oval Office.
Remember the Sat. Night Live skit that showed him imperiously ordering everyone around, on top of everything?Didn't he have a photographic memory? That's usually a sign of high intelligence.
How dare you attempt to be objective in an independent observation... Very un-liberal of you...
Pretty bad news guy for the average American worker.
.....is at the Reagan place trying on Ronnie's clothes!Expect to see long tributes to RR at the GOP convention this summer, with Bush feebly trying to cast himself as the new Reagan.
Too bad about Reagan's death, and commenting on his politics at this point would be a mite unseemly.
GWB will try to get as much mileage out of this as possible, and soon.
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I expect Rove is already hard at work, figuring the angles. Something tells me the Pres is going to deliver a stirring eulogy, during which he "recalls' his many wonderful philosophical conversations with Reagan.
but, I think we can all agree that he was a sincere man with unwavering beliefs. More's the pity that he suffered from Alzheimer's these past ten years, and was unable to give the benefit of his life's experience to his successors. Thankfully, though, his suffering is at an end.
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Right on Jim.
very few influence so many people as he did. A truly rare commodity.
We won't miss him when he's gone will we?
regards rod
Saddam ruled, Reagan, Mao, Lenin, Gandhi et al. influenced. Whether one agrees with their philosophies or not, we cant deny their influence of people.
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we all hate and fear:Al-Quaeda.
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there goes a great man.
I'm terribly sorry to see the Gipper go. Whether you agreed with him or not (and mostly, I didn't - economically Reaganomics was a disaster) you cannot deny his decency, simple sincerity and strength.He had a strong spirit the world is lessened without.
He was the last of the real conservative Presidents. Bush Sr. was merely a watered down Reagan without the presence or the authority. Junior Bush has no ideological relation to Reagan, and now that Reagan is gone, I hope Americans don't forget what a real conservative is - but I'm sure they will.
Some people here are taking shots at Reagan. That's sick and pathetic. Now is not the time for that, Reagan will be debated from now into eternity. Nobody makes any point by acting in a classless, insensitive manner.
As to those who are now trying to capitalize on Reagan's death to advance their peculiar neo-con views - the Gipper was a humble, self-effacing man who would have never taken such a sleazy manner, his death is no time to be political.
Just respect the spirit of this President and respect his family, a classy thing to do would be to head to his foundation website and sign the condolences book already up and extend your wishes to his family, who have shown true courage standing with him through his long illness.
How about the money going illegally to the Contras? In Washington a Lieutnant Colonel cannot do those things, so no LC ran this operation without higher ups.
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and walk away from the ones that don't count.As I said, I frequently disagreed with Reagan's polices. I'm no fan pof Reaganomics, I know full well about Iran-Contra, and if Gorbachev didn't begin Perestroika the Cold War would probably still be going today. Great.
But that's history and now it's for historians to debate.
For today, we should remember Ronald Reagan as a person, not just a politician, and for that I remember him as a decent person, sincere, a man who always had a smiling, comforting demeanour - a far cry from the smirking, strutting person we see today.
We may debate what happened during his presidency, and I note a few people accusing him of killing central americans and such. That's for history to decide. I do believe that what Reagan did he did honestly - out of honest belief that he was acting correctly, and without deceptive motives in his heart. It's important for conservatives to remember that example - today, the actions are not founded in honest belief, and the heart taking them is a dark one.
There's a time and place to debate a president's legacy, and the day of his death just isn't either one. Fight the fight when it matters - like with the guy in the office now - and have the class to pass on the slagging while he's still not even cold in the ground. Whatever you think, Reagan was a man who served his country and that deserves our respect.
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When any world leader dies their deeds are discussed. Dieing doesn't change anything especially at his bleeding age..............Just respect the spirit of this President and respect his family, a classy thing to do would be to head to his foundation website and sign the condolences book already up and extend your wishes to his family, who have shown true courage standing with him through his long illness...............
& you can go & sign the condolence books of the South American families who suffered through Reagan’s criminal meddling in their affairs.
regards rod
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if not, cut the reverential bs---mourn him in private, if you wish, but don't expect the rest of the world to mutter inanities.
He was DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Central Americans. Mourn them, if you are in a somber mood.
It only reflects the character of those making the comments... No need to go crazy over it.
vb
Give me rhythm or give me death!
There is a huge number of people here in Britain who have the greatest respect for, and wgo were extremely fond of, Ronald Reagan.Javajive's posts on this subject, and those of a number of his contemporaries, do indeed reveal the characters of those posters, as another poster here has already stated.
Javajive and those others who have not been able to prevent themselves from making extremely nasty and inopportune comment upon Reagan's death are, so to say, pieces of shit; their comments, whilst not unexpected, are typical of the simple nastiness that makes them what they are.
There is an element of gloating, and a deliberate ignorance of just what Reagan did for the United States.
Were those who are at all to the right of Lenin, (those same people that Javajive, and a number of others, would classify as neocons, fascists and etcetera), to have made similar gloating remarks concerning the demise of some liberal or left personage, the javajives of this board would be incandescent, screaming about the insensitivity of the Right.
Reagan was loved by a large number of people. That will not change, despite the howling of the unpleasant left.
David
Very slick operator. Began dismantling unions and Social Security, Education, Health Reforms, the Environment, etal. The Star Wars initiative, anyone remember that? Iran Contra-arms for hostages, anyone remember that?He was the guy took away our interest deduction on our credit card debt. Anyone remember that one? That is to say, he increased taxes on the workers and decreased taxes for the rich. Put our govt. into huge deficits to pay for his military spending.
Such a kindly, avuncular man. Bullshit!
as long as the war crimiinal is a conservative then he/she really isn`t a war criminal, eh David?
Most of em are wankers anyhow.
regards rod
It's funny how the extremist lefties from foreign soil feel compelled to berate anything we stand for, or anyone that held the highest office in our country.Times like these is when you find out so much about people, isn't it?
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"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
People you admire...Hitler, Stalin, Arafat, Saddam...
People I admire....
Reagan, Ben-Gurion, Thatcher, Churchill
Yup.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
Rubbish. Gorby started the reforms in the USSR NOT Reagan. What American arrogance................Still, what to expect from a 10 year old.
regards rod
Yum cha cha
regards rod
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read up, my friend, about Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicargua, and Honduras. Of course, they ARE brown-skinned (probably didn't feel anything much as they don't feel pain such as we do...).
Point me to some credible sources,,,and not that sheit edna uses for his tirades.
Thanks, DonT
The reactions here are as predictible as the sun rising in the morning. It's what makes this board what it is, a shithole overrun by morons.
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Congrats, Merle!
Now, next time, please bring some tp for the rest of us poor souls and don't evacuate upon the problem...
nt
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
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I like him for sentimental reasons and for facilitating my skipping out of the ussr.
It'd be interesting to peek at the analysis of his Presidency in the school history books 10 years from now.
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My bet for the Best Line Today
Not ONE major news report on tv giving anything resembling a bio---these are all eulogies!
The huge deficit, the Marine Beirut barracks unanswered slaughter, Irancontra...all unmentioned in the tawdry, overblown rhetoric.
Straw man: Americans all felt terribly insecure after Vietnam, high interest rates, skyhigh gasoline prices, and the Iranian hostage crisis. Ronny to the rescue!
Fact: we were by far still the ascendant world power in 1980. From what everyone here should know of the Arab mind and behavior---do you really think they freed the hostages out of fear? The only logical explanation is Ronny acted traitorously in making an illegal arms deal with the Iranians---or have you forgotten what Irancontra was all about just a few years later?
I hope you are drinking a good bottle of something, tonight, if you are still swallowing the "good Ronny" baloney.
good riddance!Now to get the present one out of office. Is the American electorate savvy enough to do it, or have they been duped again, as we were before in the 80s? Stay tuned--film at 11.
Pretty tough competition there.
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Pray that we never bend down so low. Specially some of the creepy twisted liberals on this website cheering the death of one of our great leaders. This is about as dirty and rotten as a leftwingnut, hate America one can get. They just might as well be members of the al Queda, they're vultures of a kind.
one of my vices
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Robert Novak, of all people, was on CNN & was very even-handed in what he said. He mentioned a lot of the travails, referred to Reagan's presidency as 'controversial' several times. I've never liked Novak, but I thought he did a good job & this is in spite of what you're saying.
They will only get more so as we move ahead.
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I said that I saw coverage that was even-handed. I liked that Novak was as non-partisan in his comments as he was; it seemed honest. He wasn't asked to give a eulogy, didn't fawn, and his remarks rendered the post I responded to untrue. Do you have a problem with that?
At least the liberal press is being respectful. Better than you guys are doing.
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and more persistant
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There's nothing wrong with honesty.
LET ME COUNT THE DAYS...
Being disrespectful, spewing hate, and enjoying the pain of others. The man deserves better than this. If you can't be respectful, be quiet.
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You can't even call them 'liberal' because this is not how real 'liberals' behave.
like the repub sad sacks here. Many can't remember his lies, inept decisions.People with Aids that could have been helped, during his administration , if only he cared.
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It was just 2 days before the election, and the energy and enthusiasm from the huge crowd was indescribable. To me, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" is the single greatest utterance by an American president in the latter half of the 20th century.RIP, Mr. President.
Pad,I was 10 when Reagan was shot and taken to my future alma matar for his operation.
I became fascinated with current events on that day and I loved Reagan as a teenager growing up in Canada. He made me get involved in politics and encouraged me to study international relations.
Reagan was the most significant president since FDR and contrary to the revolting crap behing posted above, he'll be remembered as a great man by most people across the planet.
If he is going to "Hell"....I want to reserve my seat next to him along side Thatcher.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
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That's a real compliment.Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
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....................he'll be remembered as a great man by most people across the planet..................Sorry Tosh, maybe on your planet but not outside of planet America. I think you have seen too many B grade movies with Ronnie starring. .....................Cowboys were always kids favourite.
regards rod
Rod,Really?
I think the people of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe would disagree with you rather strongly.
Granted, they probably drink as much XXXX as you so why take their views seriously.
Tosh
"I think this place is restricted Wang, so don't tell them you're Jewish"
My kid could paint better than that
regards rod
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--If he is going to "Hell"....I want to reserve my seat next to him along side Thatcher.Don't give up. Keep dating!
Damn, you should have used the monicker, Tosh Methuselah.
Yes, Mr. President, rest in peace. Your job is done, and was done well.
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Was he scared of Ronnie? Gorbachev set the wheels in motion for what happened to the USSR & you give all the credit to a B grade Actor & President. I must admit Ronnie does seem a great President when compared to Bush............Have a nice wake.................wake up I mean.
regards rod
Ya think?
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pledge for over a year when Reagan finally, being dragged and screaming, accepted the handshake.
Gorbachev is the great man, Reagan merely the opportunist.
That and his tortured but immensely funny "Doveriai no proveriai!" (Trust but verify) with which he kept teasing Gorby the Communist.
NT
The greatest leader during my lifetime, and that will likely still be the case at the end of my lifetime..."As disappointed as I may be in some who served me, I'm still the one who must answer to the American people for this behavior. And as personally distasteful as I find secret bank accounts and diverted funds—well, as the Navy would say, this happened on my watch." -Ronald Reagan, in a speech to the nation regarding the Iran-Contra scandal.
Very fitting indeed! Heard clips of him giving his D-Day speech in France 20 years ago - fantastic.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
I'm out of good beer, so I will open a nice bottle of wine tonight to toast his life and contributions. I thought I would have a day or two.Bummer.
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Big J.
I am happy to have lived here during his presidency, even if then unable to appreciate it. At least I have memories.Sorry to hear that new.
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