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In Reply to: RE: Sceince is no longer trusted because of its misuse to promote doubtful causes. * posted by mr grits on March 29, 2012 at 11:21:02
No problemo. Let's just keep flaring CH4 into the atmosphere. It is only about 20 times more potent than the same amount of CO2. It's not even worth anything nowadays as long as we can get that valuable black gold out of the cracks in the ground by fracking through aquifers and water supplies. No problemo. Just ignore the dire warnings of those fooolish scientists.
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after liberal promotion of that situation alone? Maybe we can implant a hydro-cephalic stem cell in your brain to brighten you up?
“I was actually on your side of this issue when I was chairing that committee and I first heard about this. I thought it must be true until I found out what it cost.” Sen Inhofe (R-OK) on climate change.
Sure, grits, its the scientists who are ideologically motivated on this. Spoiled little fundie bitches like Inhofe refuse to face up to hard choices, and actually want to base US government policy on such asinine beliefs that only God can affect climate. ( http://conservativebyte.com/2012/03/senator-inhofe-global-warming-is-a-hoax-arrogant-to-think-humans-can-change-seasons/ )
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
We are having the fifth hottest March ever here. The hottest was 1921 and number two was 1907. What does that say? We were freezing to death in the mid 70's.
Science has become a liberal's whore. Make some noise, attract some attention, and pay other scientists to make the same conclusions.
It doesn't matter if GW is true or not because it is a political issue dominated by greed. I will not willingly pay more money to clean anything up when 75% of the world doesn't give a flying doo doo. Why shovel your neighbor's sidewalk? One country cleaning up its act will not phase GW. The 75% that don't care will die first then we'll see some commitment to the cause if it's actually needed.
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The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) was a period of natural global warming that took place almost 56 million years ago. It came at a time when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was already higher than today, and global temperatures also much warmer. The PETM warming was a roughly 200,000-year long event where global temperatures rose by a further 6–8°C, and is thought to have been caused by a massive injection of CO2 into the atmosphere.
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The authors find that the maximum PETM rate of emission for organic carbon as the source is equivalent to 6.2 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, and for methane as the source, 1.1 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. For comparison: 2010 human-carbon emissions were 30.6 billion tonnes. So if organic carbon was the source, current emissions are almost 5 times faster than the PETM, and if methane, current emissions are rising 27 times faster.
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But now that we humans have embarked on a global warming experiment, there are some useful lessons from the past:
The rapid pulse of PETM CO2 followed by rapid warming (figure 2e) indicates high climate sensitivity.
CO2 does indeed appear to have a long atmospheric lifetime.
Ocean acidification (of the deep sea at least) can occur even under conditions of CO2 release much slower than today.
Present acidification of the ocean is far greater than the PETM, and is probably unprecedented in the last 65 million years.
Whether the plants and animals upon which humans depend can survive the present rapidly changing environment remains to be seen.
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Local weather is not the issue.
"Science has become a liberal's whore..." Sheesh, man, look at where the money is coming from in my link in my post above.
Sometimes, shoveling your neighbor's sidewalk is the right thing to do. You're OK if we lead from behind on this one? I'm not. But I agree that our efforts should be focused on make alternative energy cheaper, not carbon more expensive. That takes government action and investment.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
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but I didn't want to give Rod a coronary, considerate guy that I am.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
Of course, 7 Billion people would have to be knocked down to less than 1 Billion, maybe, even far less.
Still, we can S-L-O-W T-H-I-N-G-S D-O-W-N, which I think is a viable alternative to doing NOTHING. It is the political idea all scientists have -- except for a Dr. Strangelove, perhaps!
Of course, the DISBELIEF is just a, well. F*Y, and nothing else!
I would rather have us change our economic basis using our enlightened governnig system to get things moving along. Fat chance, as we can't even get the text of everyday laws correct, huh.
it really doesn't make that much difference. I am shocked that libs refused to pickup and accept the fact that Al Gore's carbon exchange would line his personal pockets to the bursting point. The idea of giving an international organization our tax money to be put to "good use" elsewhere in the world was beyond stupid. Sure, China is underdeveloped so let's give them a million stack scrubbers. No sense whatsoever.
We will just have to credit ourselves with the fact that we poisoned ourselves out of existence. We will never reach the UFO technology stage thousands of years from now because nobody but the cockroaches will be left.
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