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In Reply to: RE: Study tracks how conservatives lost their faith in science posted by Fred J on March 29, 2012 at 10:11:10
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Fox and Friends? She pretended she needed to look up the word on Google. She's a Stanford/Oxford grad.
Anti-intellectualism of Irrationalists (who think they're Conservative) is at an all-time high.
since you think the science for human-induced global warming is unwarranted, you should start producing evidence which contradicts the global warming scaremongers.
thx in advance.
Give me some of that old time religion, some of that old time religion, it's good enough for me.
No problemo. Let's just keep flaring CH4 into the atmosphere. It is only about 20 times more potent than the same amount of CO2. It's not even worth anything nowadays as long as we can get that valuable black gold out of the cracks in the ground by fracking through aquifers and water supplies. No problemo. Just ignore the dire warnings of those fooolish scientists.
after liberal promotion of that situation alone? Maybe we can implant a hydro-cephalic stem cell in your brain to brighten you up?
“I was actually on your side of this issue when I was chairing that committee and I first heard about this. I thought it must be true until I found out what it cost.” Sen Inhofe (R-OK) on climate change.
Sure, grits, its the scientists who are ideologically motivated on this. Spoiled little fundie bitches like Inhofe refuse to face up to hard choices, and actually want to base US government policy on such asinine beliefs that only God can affect climate. ( http://conservativebyte.com/2012/03/senator-inhofe-global-warming-is-a-hoax-arrogant-to-think-humans-can-change-seasons/ )
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
We are having the fifth hottest March ever here. The hottest was 1921 and number two was 1907. What does that say? We were freezing to death in the mid 70's.
Science has become a liberal's whore. Make some noise, attract some attention, and pay other scientists to make the same conclusions.
It doesn't matter if GW is true or not because it is a political issue dominated by greed. I will not willingly pay more money to clean anything up when 75% of the world doesn't give a flying doo doo. Why shovel your neighbor's sidewalk? One country cleaning up its act will not phase GW. The 75% that don't care will die first then we'll see some commitment to the cause if it's actually needed.
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The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) was a period of natural global warming that took place almost 56 million years ago. It came at a time when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was already higher than today, and global temperatures also much warmer. The PETM warming was a roughly 200,000-year long event where global temperatures rose by a further 6–8°C, and is thought to have been caused by a massive injection of CO2 into the atmosphere.
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The authors find that the maximum PETM rate of emission for organic carbon as the source is equivalent to 6.2 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, and for methane as the source, 1.1 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. For comparison: 2010 human-carbon emissions were 30.6 billion tonnes. So if organic carbon was the source, current emissions are almost 5 times faster than the PETM, and if methane, current emissions are rising 27 times faster.
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But now that we humans have embarked on a global warming experiment, there are some useful lessons from the past:
The rapid pulse of PETM CO2 followed by rapid warming (figure 2e) indicates high climate sensitivity.
CO2 does indeed appear to have a long atmospheric lifetime.
Ocean acidification (of the deep sea at least) can occur even under conditions of CO2 release much slower than today.
Present acidification of the ocean is far greater than the PETM, and is probably unprecedented in the last 65 million years.
Whether the plants and animals upon which humans depend can survive the present rapidly changing environment remains to be seen.
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Local weather is not the issue.
"Science has become a liberal's whore..." Sheesh, man, look at where the money is coming from in my link in my post above.
Sometimes, shoveling your neighbor's sidewalk is the right thing to do. You're OK if we lead from behind on this one? I'm not. But I agree that our efforts should be focused on make alternative energy cheaper, not carbon more expensive. That takes government action and investment.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
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but I didn't want to give Rod a coronary, considerate guy that I am.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
Of course, 7 Billion people would have to be knocked down to less than 1 Billion, maybe, even far less.
Still, we can S-L-O-W T-H-I-N-G-S D-O-W-N, which I think is a viable alternative to doing NOTHING. It is the political idea all scientists have -- except for a Dr. Strangelove, perhaps!
Of course, the DISBELIEF is just a, well. F*Y, and nothing else!
I would rather have us change our economic basis using our enlightened governnig system to get things moving along. Fat chance, as we can't even get the text of everyday laws correct, huh.
it really doesn't make that much difference. I am shocked that libs refused to pickup and accept the fact that Al Gore's carbon exchange would line his personal pockets to the bursting point. The idea of giving an international organization our tax money to be put to "good use" elsewhere in the world was beyond stupid. Sure, China is underdeveloped so let's give them a million stack scrubbers. No sense whatsoever.
We will just have to credit ourselves with the fact that we poisoned ourselves out of existence. We will never reach the UFO technology stage thousands of years from now because nobody but the cockroaches will be left.
That's a more realistic basis for our perception of the world we live in?
Science has been hijacked and promoted for causes. Joe Chablis thinks science is everything while Joe Sixpack is tired of HEARING ABOUT IT?
How many reverses are we going to continue to have on milk and eggs being good/bad for you? I gave up. See, it's not GW, it's everything.
You will get no rejoinder from me on that one!!
CC, is not related to the biggest drain on the pocketbooks of America's middle class.
Everything science does is done to promote causes? Maybe it's what you see on Feuz Schnooze, hear on Rush Limbo, or read on the conspiracy web pages that form your perception of what a miserable failure science is today. Of course none of the previously mentioned sources have their own agenda to promote, right?
Like those dern scientists have no respect like trying to disprove the fact that night air gives folks the vapors, tryin to make it seem like Dynsauers didn't coexist with men after God created everything in 6 days10,000 years ago.
The arrogant dern know it alls ;-)
Coming to a bookstore near you: "American Colonoscopy: The Bush Years"
the 6000 year story. You need to get out more often...try a nice church down the street.
PS. I have an excellent tome on poisons and snakes I will gladly send you.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
The big difference there is most of those 50% are actually sensitive to and embarrassed about their failings the Ditto heads are quite proud of their stupidity and ignorance.
You'd have to be blind deaf and dumb not to realize this.
Coming to a bookstore near you: "American Colonoscopy: The Bush Years"
they have no room for new information unless it fits their particular distorted world view.
If 3000 scientists made an announcement that GW is GOOD for the planet the libtard backlash would be of epic proportions. They would regurgitate the bad science to defend themselves against the new science only this time everyone would know they are truly wrong.
That is hard for a lot of ideologues to accept.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
....and 10% of the human population will be displaced from the coast by rising sea levels before "conservatives" admit global warming is a problem IF they ever admit it.
Edits: 03/29/12
...you meant to say "conservatism" which is closely linked to unproven, doubtful causes.
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