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In Reply to: RE: Wisconsin politics -- Shep and Jaun tell it like it is: "this is . . . malarkey". posted by j_thunders on February 25, 2011 at 07:46:49
It about time!
And Obama has no one but himself to blame. Having Richard Trumka and Andy Stern to the White House twice a week, and then bailing out the UAW and Public sector unions with the Stimulus and TARP really didn't sit well with most Americans.
And there is growing anti-union sentiment; people are tired of paying other people's benefits that they themselves don't receive. And they're tired of failing school systems due to the inability to get rid of poor teachers so they can pay good ones what they're worth.
Pay and benefits have gotten totally out of hand, and they will have to be cut back to levels comparable to the taxpayers that are paying for them. and after that is done, Who the hell will need a union?
And I've got news for all you public sector union retirees living on those golden parachute retirement and health plans. The gravy is quickly running out, and I hope you made other plans.
Larry. "Self sufficiency is the very essence of freedom, therefore liberals are most often used as the unwitting dupes of totalitarians."
Follow Ups:
Don't lie to yourself, the Big Three bailout was as much about institutional and foreign investors, specifically bondholders and investment banks, as it was about the unions.
not a good deal for investors.
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"Occasionally we list eccentrically, all sense of balance gone."
Oops, I should have said that the first $25 Billion doled out by Bush & Obama was to save investors as it was to save jobs. The final disposition of the Chrysler and GM did screw investors, though.
Edits: 02/25/11
That's apparently what governor Walker thought, too, and now he's going down in flames for it.
Kind of stupid for a politician not to check the polls on a subject before springing a "bomb" on his constituents, don't you think?
Daniels eliminated Collective Bargaining in Indiana and was re-elected.
And as far as sentiment goes, it sure isn't with the Democrats that left the Senate or teachers' unions.
> > > > Americans continue to believe strongly that being a teacher is an essential job, but a plurality thinks it’s a bad thing that most teachers are unionized. < < <
> > > Thirty-seven percent (37%) say, in terms of its impact on the nation, it’s a good thing that most teachers belong to public employee unions. Forty-six percent (46%) disagree and say it’s a bad thing that most teachers are unionized. < < <
Also 67% think the Democrats should not have run away to avoid a vote they didn't like.
Larry. "Self sufficiency is the very essence of freedom, therefore liberals are most often used as the unwitting dupes of totalitarians."
HERE.
You are wrong by a margin of 53 to 38 in Wisconsin.
HERE.
You are wrong nationally by a margin of 6 to 3.
HERE.
The one's you cite are pretty far down the list as far as accuracy in the last 2 elections.
Larry. "Self sufficiency is the very essence of freedom, therefore liberals are most often used as the unwitting dupes of totalitarians."
They suck at pretty much everything else.Like, for example, polling the issue of collective bargaining in Wisconsin.
Edits: 02/25/11
you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
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