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In Reply to: RE: Be prepared for the giant gasping sound in the morning posted by DWPC on November 07, 2009 at 22:41:11

and it will wash your kind from our midst once and for all. There is no way in Hell mandadting health insuance is going to stand. They will have to include OPT OUT features enough to preserve individual libebrty and choice.. you remember those cherised rights don't you? They're the ones you all use to butcher millions of defenseless developing human beings.

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RE: take an aspirin and call your insurance company for a doctor's refferal in the morning...nt - LongPlay 22:59:17 11/07/09 (0)
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Are you ready for $15,000/yr compulsory health insuarnce? Do the right thing man & help the country - PriyaW 22:58:45 11/07/09 (11)
I especially like the way Ms. Pelosi start taxing, Those above $350k, and then some additional taxes for those who make over $500k. What we have been hearing so far are the cries from those less than 5% of this counrty who relies on dumb christian conservtaives to carry their baggage. I hope you are collapsing due to the dead weight of propaganda of the filthy rich.

Priya
- I am asking no one for anything - ArdRi 23:09:40 11/07/09 (10)
  and I will not buy Health Insurance if I do not choose to do so Law or No Law.
  - How many children do you have..... - Dave-A 06:44:50 11/08/09 (2)
    that you also refuse to cover?
    
    What about THEIR rights?
    
    Idealism is easy when you live alone and no one else depends on you for anything.
    
    Things get messy otherwise. Things like responsibility and welfare.
    
    Nice freak flag though.
    
    Later
    D
    - I have one adult son who - ArdRi 10:07:44 11/08/09 (1)
      is out on his own ssupporting himself and who may soon be over-burdened to give Health Care to others who can't see their way to getting it for themselves.
      - The more you post on this topic, the more..... - Dave-A 13:10:33 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I have one adult son who posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 10:07:44
        
        I see you simply don't understand about it. Not the concept of risk pools, of compassion, of community or many other ideas. None of it.
        
        But I wouldn't dream of asking you to quit. I find it semi interesting....particularly when you add graphics. :)
        
        Later
        D
  - I'm not a conservative, but I too will not be forced into buying anything I do not choose to buy. - gme109 06:39:28 11/08/09 (0)
    I'm afraid this bill will be forcing Americans to buy the same over priced crappy health care that is being served up now. This will only benefit the Big drug companies and health care providers, by giving them some 40 million new customers.
    
    Drug Companies -- Big Business, Big Disaster
    
    One of the problems in our current system is the lack of competition between conventional and natural medicine. Excessive government interventions are partly to blame for this, because true competition will only occur once natural medicine is embraced and fully allowed to BE an officially viable option to conventional treatments.
    
    As it stands now, media coverage over the past couple of years has shown you just how dire your legal situation can get if you dare refuse conventional medical treatment and opt for other less dangerous alternatives.
    
    A most recent example of the strangle-hold drug companies and government has over your health care options is the fact that the FDA created a special task force to investigate and shut down any alternative practitioner or company offering any product that claims to ameliorate or prevent the swine flu. They even issued Dr. Andrew Weil a warning last month.
    
    I don’t need to tell you there’s a propaganda war going on to get as many as possible to accept the novel swine flu vaccine, and it’s quite clear that competition or alternatives are not accepted.
    
    Other articles published by conventional media this year sent a strong message that an organized campaign was underway to undermine the validity and effectiveness of alternative medicine in the mind of the public.
    
    Doctors, too, are intimidated beyond reason to fall in line with pharmaceutical cartels’ agenda.
    
    It’s important to realize that the drug companies are at the very core of this mess, and so far no one is addressing the underlying paradigm that is the crux of our current health care problem.
    
    Why are U.S. Health Care Costs so High?
    
    If you didn’t already know this, American medical care is the most expensive in the world. The U.S. spends more than twice as much on each person for health care as most other industrialized countries. And yet it has fallen to last place among those countries in preventing avoidable deaths through use of timely and effective medical care.
    
    That the system is fatally flawed and in need of a radical overhaul is self-evident.
    
    According to a 2008 report published in the New England Journal of Medicine, 90 percent of Americans believe our medical system should be “completely rebuilt” or that “fundamental changes” are required.
    
    An article on the WIP.net web site, published earlier this year, points out numerous reasons why health care costs have run amok.
    
    One major problem that is inflating costs is the staggering number of medically unwarranted surgeries being performed each year, such as unnecessary cesarean sections and hysterectomies.
    
    The rate of hysterectomies alone is staggering. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), more than one-third of American women have had their female organs removed by the age of 60.
    
    By the age of 65, HALF of all women have had a hysterectomy!
    
    But that’s not the most shocking part of the statistics. In her WIP article, Nora Coffey states:
    
    “Findings from more than 850,000 counseling sessions at the HERS Foundation in Philadelphia puts the percentage of hysterectomies that could be avoided with conservative treatment (or no treatment at all) at about 98 percent.”
    
    More than $17 billion a year is spent on direct doctor and hospital charges for hysterectomies – most of which are completely unnecessary!
    
    Why is no one talking about that, instead of trying to figure out how to keep paying for these unnecessary treatments? Addressing the systematic, routine removal of women’s uterus’ could reduce overall health care costs by $17 billion, which is no chump change!
  - RE: I am asking no one for anything - middleground 06:11:07 11/08/09 (2)
    What a proud American! Self-reliant to a fault, lives in a society of one. Two hundred and fifty years behind the times, but what does that matter when his heart is true?
    
    So many things do away with, rammed down your throat over the years since Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett days eh?
    
    Make a list and keep chipping away and the past, oh that glorious past, will be your future.
    
    Such is the American conservative's credo!
    - ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One - ArdRi 10:00:32 11/08/09 (1)
      we are individuals first before we are co-opted by a society. If a person chooses to think of themself as an individual who is a member of a society and not as you a member of a society who is an individual on what basis does the society invaldate the natural order and deprive the individual of his primacy? It arsies out of an apparent inequity which is exploited by the politically ambitious as leverage to gain personal power thru manipulating perception. Pandering to a lazy unproductive mass promising them increase of what they lack in exchange for their supoort at the ballot box. It is fundementally un-american as defined by the character of the ideal of self-reliant individualism which gave birth to our Nation. I again cite my home State of New Hampshire. The Public Welfare programs in this state are at or near the lowest figures for give away's. Most people up here like that. We feel if you are even minimally abled you can take care of yourself and that NOBODY fundementally owes you the means to support your existance. As in nature if you can't thrive on your own you go extinct. No need to mention the congenitally disabled, these are a relatively small minority and their care is not a burden. Giving lazy lay-abouts a free ride just because they can claim the tag; "Human Being" is doing nobody any good.
      - RE: ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One - middleground 12:37:23 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 10:00:32
        
        "Natural order"? You are a gem!
  - Most develop countries tax their citizens to pay for health care - PriyaW 23:26:46 11/07/09 (2)
    This is NOT a choice. They have done this out of necessity. We all needto contribute to make it a success. If you think you don't get sick and you don't need to contribute, then you are being stupid and selfish.
    
    Priya
    - I don't owe you or anyone Health Care - ArdRi 00:54:17 11/08/09 (1)
      - RE: I don't owe you or anyone Health Care - middleground 06:12:17 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I don't owe you or anyone Health Care posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 00:54:17
        
        You have a way with complicated concepts!

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