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As millions of Rightwingers begin hyperventilating in unison when they learn about the HC bill passing the House.

"We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli

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And start the countdown of the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party - dennzio 06:51:48 11/08/09 (3)
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- RE: And start the countdown of the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party - middleground 08:27:20 11/08/09 (0)
  Ah yes, the old one party system argument...
- Dennzio, Wanna bet - Arya 07:07:34 11/08/09 (1)
  I say, republicans will not gain any seats in US house of representatives in 2010.
  
  6 pack?
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  - Damn! - martyh 07:15:20 11/08/09 (0)
    “I say, republicans will not gain any seats in US house of representatives in 2010”
    
    I wouldn’t take that bet but… wow…. you have some confidence.
    
    I think the turmoil in the Republican party will help and I really pray that the teabagger/birther group screws up more than a few primaries but no gains? That will be tough.
    
    Fiat justitia ruat caelum
Chalk one up for those who love Nationalization of industry. (nt - dennzio 06:49:58 11/08/09 (1)
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- Yay for me! - martyh 07:19:42 11/08/09 (0)
  Go team.
  
  Fiat justitia ruat caelum
Dennis Kucinich's vote of NO proves this is no Liberal Bill --- It's mostly garbage, not reform......nt - Cut-Throat 06:12:33 11/08/09 (3)
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- Dennis Kucinich Explains Why He Voted No - gme109 06:50:14 11/08/09 (0)
  Cleveland area Congressman Dennis Kucinich has long been one of the strongest voices for health care for all but was one of 36 Democrats who voted no on H.R. 3962 the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Kucinich explained his "no" vote on his website that read:
  
  After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:
  
  “We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.
  
  “Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.
  
  “But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross.
  - http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/11927 (Open in New Window)
- Completety agree. - gme109 06:42:19 11/08/09 (0)
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  - http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/outside/messages/127/12795 (Open in New Window)
- Kucinich and Ron Paul: Two crazy wingnuts in the congress * - Arya 06:27:39 11/08/09 (0)
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RE: Be prepared for the giant gasping sound in the morning - middleground 05:49:08 11/08/09 (0)
Yeah but they have that Fort Hood dreaded incident by a Muslim to kind of help their hate filled mind along...
Why Are You Gloating?? - Todd Krieger 23:01:12 11/07/09 (9)
It's as if you really know that this legislation will be devastating, and you're jubilant over that potential devastation.
- If you'd been born in the ME, you'd have been a shahid - DWPC 08:59:24 11/08/09 (0)
  You're putty in the hands of your two-bit fear-baiting ideological leaders. Wise up.
  
  "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
- RE: Why Are You Gloating?? - middleground 05:59:59 11/08/09 (0)
  It's nothing short of amazing how you dread anything to help regular folk in their daily lives, sacrificing anything and everything on the altar of conservative ideology, facts be damned.
- RE: a final bill will look nothing like what passed tonight, and there is a good chance that nothing will - LongPlay 23:27:50 11/07/09 (2)
  emerge from the Senate to land on the President's desk...I never underestimate the Democrat's propensity to not govern...
  - There's a "Nuclear Option".............. - Todd Krieger 23:41:32 11/07/09 (1)
    This is a filibuster-proof majority........ The House IMO was where this should have been killed.
    - RE: Is Harry Reid suddenly going to grow a spine?...or a pair?...nt - LongPlay 00:32:30 11/08/09 (0)
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- Conservatives were gloating when US invade Iraq which had no role in 9/11 - PriyaW 23:21:41 11/07/09 (2)
  Over 500,000 Iraqis died, 2.5 million displaced, more than 4500 US soldiers died with 50,000 severely wounded. This war is going to cost US taxpayers $%-8 trillon with absolutely no tangible bebefits to US taxpayers. Conservatives are still gloating about Iraq War.
  
  Some others gloat, becasue when HC bill becaomes law, it benefits US taxpayers one way or the other. I hope you see the BIG DIFFERENCE.
  
  Priya
  - No They Weren't............... - Todd Krieger 23:53:29 11/07/09 (1)
    Conservatives mostly *opposed* the invasion of Iraq.............
    - At Least This One Did So............... (Open in New Window)
    - You were in the distinct minority.... - Dave-A 06:38:57 11/08/09 (0)
      then Todd, because even here on Outside there was quite the cheering audience.
      
      Still is....and then there was the Fox Newzzzzzzzz 24/7 coverage.
      
      Even now, in the aftermath of the neocon wet dream gone wrong, we see the screaming rantings of the dregs who demand we bomb and invade Iran.
      
      Don't recall a single 'liberal' progressive among them.
      
      Later
      D
- blind faith in obama NT - Jazz Inmate 23:07:27 11/07/09 (0)
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  We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
RE: I will watch Fox Noise exclussively just for the schadenfreude of the moment...nt - LongPlay 22:55:58 11/07/09 (0)
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It will be Vomiting - ArdRi 22:53:31 11/07/09 (13)
and it will wash your kind from our midst once and for all. There is no way in Hell mandadting health insuance is going to stand. They will have to include OPT OUT features enough to preserve individual libebrty and choice.. you remember those cherised rights don't you? They're the ones you all use to butcher millions of defenseless developing human beings.
- RE: take an aspirin and call your insurance company for a doctor's refferal in the morning...nt - LongPlay 22:59:17 11/07/09 (0)
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- Are you ready for $15,000/yr compulsory health insuarnce? Do the right thing man & help the country - PriyaW 22:58:45 11/07/09 (11)
  I especially like the way Ms. Pelosi start taxing, Those above $350k, and then some additional taxes for those who make over $500k. What we have been hearing so far are the cries from those less than 5% of this counrty who relies on dumb christian conservtaives to carry their baggage. I hope you are collapsing due to the dead weight of propaganda of the filthy rich.
  
  Priya
  - I am asking no one for anything - ArdRi 23:09:40 11/07/09 (10)
    and I will not buy Health Insurance if I do not choose to do so Law or No Law.
    - How many children do you have..... - Dave-A 06:44:50 11/08/09 (2)
      that you also refuse to cover?
      
      What about THEIR rights?
      
      Idealism is easy when you live alone and no one else depends on you for anything.
      
      Things get messy otherwise. Things like responsibility and welfare.
      
      Nice freak flag though.
      
      Later
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      - I have one adult son who - ArdRi 10:07:44 11/08/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many children do you have..... posted by Dave-A on November 08, 2009 at 06:44:50
        
        is out on his own ssupporting himself and who may soon be over-burdened to give Health Care to others who can't see their way to getting it for themselves.
        
        The more you post on this topic, the more..... - Dave-A 13:10:33 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I have one adult son who posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 10:07:44
        
        I see you simply don't understand about it. Not the concept of risk pools, of compassion, of community or many other ideas. None of it.
        
        But I wouldn't dream of asking you to quit. I find it semi interesting....particularly when you add graphics. :)
        
        Later
        D
    - I'm not a conservative, but I too will not be forced into buying anything I do not choose to buy. - gme109 06:39:28 11/08/09 (0)
      I'm afraid this bill will be forcing Americans to buy the same over priced crappy health care that is being served up now. This will only benefit the Big drug companies and health care providers, by giving them some 40 million new customers.
      
      Drug Companies -- Big Business, Big Disaster
      
      One of the problems in our current system is the lack of competition between conventional and natural medicine. Excessive government interventions are partly to blame for this, because true competition will only occur once natural medicine is embraced and fully allowed to BE an officially viable option to conventional treatments.
      
      As it stands now, media coverage over the past couple of years has shown you just how dire your legal situation can get if you dare refuse conventional medical treatment and opt for other less dangerous alternatives.
      
      A most recent example of the strangle-hold drug companies and government has over your health care options is the fact that the FDA created a special task force to investigate and shut down any alternative practitioner or company offering any product that claims to ameliorate or prevent the swine flu. They even issued Dr. Andrew Weil a warning last month.
      
      I don’t need to tell you there’s a propaganda war going on to get as many as possible to accept the novel swine flu vaccine, and it’s quite clear that competition or alternatives are not accepted.
      
      Other articles published by conventional media this year sent a strong message that an organized campaign was underway to undermine the validity and effectiveness of alternative medicine in the mind of the public.
      
      Doctors, too, are intimidated beyond reason to fall in line with pharmaceutical cartels’ agenda.
      
      It’s important to realize that the drug companies are at the very core of this mess, and so far no one is addressing the underlying paradigm that is the crux of our current health care problem.
      
      Why are U.S. Health Care Costs so High?
      
      If you didn’t already know this, American medical care is the most expensive in the world. The U.S. spends more than twice as much on each person for health care as most other industrialized countries. And yet it has fallen to last place among those countries in preventing avoidable deaths through use of timely and effective medical care.
      
      That the system is fatally flawed and in need of a radical overhaul is self-evident.
      
      According to a 2008 report published in the New England Journal of Medicine, 90 percent of Americans believe our medical system should be “completely rebuilt” or that “fundamental changes” are required.
      
      An article on the WIP.net web site, published earlier this year, points out numerous reasons why health care costs have run amok.
      
      One major problem that is inflating costs is the staggering number of medically unwarranted surgeries being performed each year, such as unnecessary cesarean sections and hysterectomies.
      
      The rate of hysterectomies alone is staggering. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), more than one-third of American women have had their female organs removed by the age of 60.
      
      By the age of 65, HALF of all women have had a hysterectomy!
      
      But that’s not the most shocking part of the statistics. In her WIP article, Nora Coffey states:
      
      “Findings from more than 850,000 counseling sessions at the HERS Foundation in Philadelphia puts the percentage of hysterectomies that could be avoided with conservative treatment (or no treatment at all) at about 98 percent.”
      
      More than $17 billion a year is spent on direct doctor and hospital charges for hysterectomies – most of which are completely unnecessary!
      
      Why is no one talking about that, instead of trying to figure out how to keep paying for these unnecessary treatments? Addressing the systematic, routine removal of women’s uterus’ could reduce overall health care costs by $17 billion, which is no chump change!
    - RE: I am asking no one for anything - middleground 06:11:07 11/08/09 (2)
      What a proud American! Self-reliant to a fault, lives in a society of one. Two hundred and fifty years behind the times, but what does that matter when his heart is true?
      
      So many things do away with, rammed down your throat over the years since Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett days eh?
      
      Make a list and keep chipping away and the past, oh that glorious past, will be your future.
      
      Such is the American conservative's credo!
      - ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One - ArdRi 10:00:32 11/08/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I am asking no one for anything posted by middleground on November 08, 2009 at 06:11:07
        
        we are individuals first before we are co-opted by a society. If a person chooses to think of themself as an individual who is a member of a society and not as you a member of a society who is an individual on what basis does the society invaldate the natural order and deprive the individual of his primacy? It arsies out of an apparent inequity which is exploited by the politically ambitious as leverage to gain personal power thru manipulating perception. Pandering to a lazy unproductive mass promising them increase of what they lack in exchange for their supoort at the ballot box. It is fundementally un-american as defined by the character of the ideal of self-reliant individualism which gave birth to our Nation. I again cite my home State of New Hampshire. The Public Welfare programs in this state are at or near the lowest figures for give away's. Most people up here like that. We feel if you are even minimally abled you can take care of yourself and that NOBODY fundementally owes you the means to support your existance. As in nature if you can't thrive on your own you go extinct. No need to mention the congenitally disabled, these are a relatively small minority and their care is not a burden. Giving lazy lay-abouts a free ride just because they can claim the tag; "Human Being" is doing nobody any good.
        
        RE: ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One - middleground 12:37:23 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: ...and yours is The Good of the Many Outweighs the Good of the One posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 10:00:32
        
        "Natural order"? You are a gem!
    - Most develop countries tax their citizens to pay for health care - PriyaW 23:26:46 11/07/09 (2)
      This is NOT a choice. They have done this out of necessity. We all needto contribute to make it a success. If you think you don't get sick and you don't need to contribute, then you are being stupid and selfish.
      
      Priya
      - I don't owe you or anyone Health Care - ArdRi 00:54:17 11/08/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Most develop countries tax their citizens to pay for health care posted by PriyaW on November 07, 2009 at 23:26:46
        
        RE: I don't owe you or anyone Health Care - middleground 06:12:17 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I don't owe you or anyone Health Care posted by ArdRi on November 08, 2009 at 00:54:17
        
        You have a way with complicated concepts!

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