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Kill the Pelosi Health Care Bill NOW!

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ArdRi

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DEATH PANELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NT - tinear 08:35:32 11/07/09 (0)
FDS
I wonder what "acceptable health care" means for dual citizens residing outside the US? - Frihed89 04:02:49 11/07/09 (0)
They often tend to forget things like this, even though we have to file US returns every year on our world-wide income. (In high-tax countries, it's not a problem, as foreign tax credits erase the US tax liability).
"Live free or die"
Do you understand what "willful behavior" means - DWPC 21:43:20 11/06/09 (23)
About time we give a little motivation to jerks who think a new boat or F150 is higher priority than medical insurance for their family.

"We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
- RE: Do you understand what "willful behavior" means - Todd Krieger 21:54:33 11/06/09 (22)
  "About time we give a little motivation to jerks who think a new boat or F150 is higher priority than medical insurance for their family."
  
  We should never make one's decision for him.
  - Please read the bill you posted... - Ivan303 09:18:45 11/07/09 (0)
    and tell us exactly what the penalty is for not purchasing health insurance.
    
    Boats and Fish!
  - A decision for family wellfare is never One's decision.* - eso 08:38:26 11/07/09 (0)
    They were a carnival of American decay on parade, and they had no idea of the atrocity they had inflicted upon themselves–Henry Chinaski
  - RE: Do you understand what "willful behavior" means - DWPC 22:25:51 11/06/09 (19)
    That's goofy talk. Its not frontier days anymore. People have responsibilities; like it or not. And more and more Americans reject them and stay perpetual adolescents. We used to be grown-ups in this country.
    
    "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
    - Free grown ups..; - ArdRi 22:31:40 11/06/09 (9)
      What possible concocted rational do you use to conjure up the notion you have a right to command me to purchace health insurance? I am a resident of New Hampshire the Live Free or Die State. I am not r equired to carry ANY insurance for anything ,my house , my car or my "health". I will be Almighty God Danmed if I will start paying anyone a monthly premium for the fraud scam that is health insurance.. If I need a doctor I pay for him THEN AND THERE.. to you and the likes of you I say Step the Fuck away from me..
      
      Edits: 11/06/09
      - RE: Free grown ups..; - middleground 06:43:01 11/08/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Free grown ups..; posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:31:40
        
        You're so cute!
      - It all sounds good, but.... - Dave-A 06:35:32 11/07/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Free grown ups..; posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:31:40
        
        every other state has mandated base line liability insurance for autos to assure that YOU don't have to pay for damages caused by the actions of someone else.
        
        Your statement, 'If I need a doctor I pay for him THEN AND THERE' sounds real bold and courageous, but naive at the same time, considering the realities of our current system. If you had occasion to use the system lately, you would know that there is a big difference between what is called 'retail' [the price they charge the uninsured] and acceptable costs for health care. The latter being what your insurance company negotiates and actually pays.
        
        Of course you could have an unusually secure and lavish income....but most of us don't and have to find different solutions.
        
        At least until we can access one of the 'public options' out there.
        
        Later
        D
        
        False. Check New Hampshire - ArdRi 10:22:21 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: It all sounds good, but.... posted by Dave-A on November 07, 2009 at 06:35:32
        
        If you own your car, not financed you are not compelled to buy any insurance whatsoever. If you're financing the car yes because you don't fully own it. I own my car and if I elecet to drive it in any other State I am still not required to have it insured to any extent. It so happenes I do have it insured to the hilt but the argument doesn't support requiring me to buy health Insurance.. it is nothing more than a Tax to cover those who lack the means to have every health need treated..
      - How many people can afford to pay for a week stay in the hospital out of pocket ? - oscar 06:28:32 11/07/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Free grown ups..; posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:31:40
        
        Or a sudden, debilitating disease requiring long-term treatment ? That's why everyone should be insured and everyone should contribute to the insurance pool (just like in every other modern country).
        
        There is another problem: cost controls. What medical service providers charge varies widely depending on insurance plan(s) or lack thereof. I can't believe the markups for the uninsured.
        
        Ah,so because you can't affford it I have to pay? - ArdRi 10:15:04 11/07/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people can afford to pay for a week stay in the hospital out of pocket ? posted by oscar on November 07, 2009 at 06:28:32
        
        That is the fact of the matter. I am not interested. If a life form can't sustain its own existance it dies out.. Taxing (which is what this bill does) the well off to support the unsustainable will bankrupt the well being of the Nation.. agaian THAT is what THIS is all about.. Marx must be wetting himself with Communistic glee.
        
        Did you really say "life form"? - DWPC 10:30:42 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Ah,so because you can't affford it I have to pay? posted by ArdRi on November 07, 2009 at 10:15:04
        
        Thanks, that puts your rants into context. Beam me up, Scotty...no intelligent life form here.
        
        "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
      - I doubt you pay for a hospital visit then and there.(nt) - Revolver66 04:38:12 11/07/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Free grown ups..; posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:31:40
        
        nt
        
        I haven't stayed in a Hospital since I was 5 yrs old - ArdRi 11:30:11 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I doubt you pay for a hospital visit then and there.(nt) posted by Revolver66 on November 07, 2009 at 04:38:12
        
        why should I pay for anyone to do it just because they lack the means to maintain their own existance?
      - Don't worry ArdDi...not with a ten foot pole. - DWPC 22:56:00 11/06/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Free grown ups..; posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:31:40
        
        You have no idea how much you have in common with the Taliban. Starting with a mentality frozen in the wrong century. Really. You're soul mates.
        
        "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
    - So Who's to Judge? - Todd Krieger 22:30:21 11/06/09 (8)
      What makes this scary is in a lot of cases, the decisions we make for others end up being *against* their will. This is totalitarianism at its rotten core.
      - RE: So Who's to Judge? - DWPC 22:58:28 11/06/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So Who's to Judge? posted by Todd Krieger on November 06, 2009 at 22:30:21
        
        You prove you have no idea what totalitarianism is. Find some people who do and learn.
        
        "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
      - You sound surprised.. - ArdRi 22:33:35 11/06/09 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So Who's to Judge? posted by Todd Krieger on November 06, 2009 at 22:30:21
        
        This is who these people are.. masquerading as enlightened elitists they are nothing more than egomaniacal power-mad fascist dictators PERIOD...
        
        Edits: 11/06/09
        
        RE: You sound surprised.. - Todd Krieger 23:07:37 11/06/09 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You sound surprised.. posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:33:35
        
        It's not so much that I'm surprised..... Maybe who I'm dealing with simply doesn't realize what he's advocating...... That's why I kind of defined totalitarianism, which is the government imposing its will over those of the people.
        
        Failing to purchase health insurance should never be deemed a crime.
        
        Todd... - Ivan303 10:03:13 11/07/09 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You sound surprised.. posted by Todd Krieger on November 06, 2009 at 23:07:37
        
        It's really simple.
        
        If you CHOOSE to not purchase health insurance you will be assessed, on your Federal Income Tax bill and amount equal to 2.5% of your ADJUSTED MODIFIED GROSS INCOME. AND.. It can't exceed the AVERAGE national premium for that tax year.
        
        For the poor guy making minimum wage, that ain't much!
        
        Boats and Fish!
        
        No,No,No. A Thousand Times NO! - ArdRi 10:16:45 11/07/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Todd... posted by Ivan303 on November 07, 2009 at 10:03:13
        
        This is Not right..
        
        Yes, yes, yes, a thousnd times YES! At least according to Todd, it is! - Ivan303 10:28:51 11/07/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No,No,No. A Thousand Times NO! posted by ArdRi on November 07, 2009 at 10:16:45
        
        Read the bill as linked in Todd's post below:
        
        I'll even give you the page numbers, which is better the Todd gave me!
        
        Starting on page 296 and continuing...
        
        1 ‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
        2 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
        3 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
        4 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
        5 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
        6 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
        7 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in
        8 come for the taxable year, over
        9 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
        10 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
        11 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
        12 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
        13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
        14 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax
        15 payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
        16 applicable national average premium for such
        17 taxable year.
        
        Boats and Fish!
        
        Todd's link to the bill. (Open in New Window)
        
        I mean the principle of the thing isn't right - ArdRi 11:22:56 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, yes, yes, a thousnd times YES! At least according to Todd, it is! posted by Ivan303 on November 07, 2009 at 10:28:51
        
        the facts are correct and accurate.. get it? What they want to do is not right.. that they want to do it is true..
        
        Wipe your chin n - DWPC 22:59:01 11/06/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You sound surprised.. posted by ArdRi on November 06, 2009 at 22:33:35
        
        .
        
        "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
RE: Kill the Pelosi Health Care Bill NOW! - Todd Krieger 20:56:40 11/06/09 (2)
If this bill becomes law....... Would this mean if people are unemployed and broke, they could end up going to jail because they have no funds to pay for the insurance?
This almost sounds like the government would have to round up these people by the millions and send them off to camps..........

Edits: 11/06/09
- One would think there would be hardship provisions built-in. - oscar 06:32:17 11/07/09 (0)
  Subsidies, tax credits, or whatever... maybe a bit more incentive to go find work or prove you tried. Then there is alway unemployment benefits which could be massaged. I have not read the details.
- RE: "This almost sounds like the government would have to round up these people by the millions ... - Ivan303 21:03:32 11/06/09 (0)
  and send them off to camps.
  
  Only if they're Muslim!
  
  Boats and Fish!

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