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Barack Obama cautioned a stunned public on Friday against drawing quick conclusions on a shooting rampage by an officer at a Texas military base that killed 13 people.

The president made the comments as the commander of Fort Hood, the US’s largest base for deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, quoted witnesses as saying the suspected gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, shouted the Muslim declaration “Allahu Akbar” – God is great – as he opened fire. Speaking at the White House, Mr Obama said: “We don’t know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts.”

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Not only Christians and Athiests are nut cases,...NT - Frihed89 07:57:35 11/07/09 (0)
NT
"Live free or die"
My BIL is on that base, and trust me, those servicemen/women at Fort Hood know what “Allahu Akbar” means. - Jack Seaton 04:43:16 11/07/09 (12)
And they aren't apologizing for the man.

I'm sure that alone will upset some liberal whacko, ... Oh well.
- Maybe they can aplogize to her family? (Open in New Window)
- Where is this "apology"? - DWPC 10:14:19 11/07/09 (0)
  Another figment your over-active imaginations. What a bunch of sick fucks.
  
  "We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
- So, what are you saying Jack?* - Jim Pearce 08:50:32 11/07/09 (0)
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- Apologise for what? Not having a concentration camp? Having a Bill of Rights? ..nt - late 04:51:21 11/07/09 (9)
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  - Yeah, ... That is the significance of him saying "God is great" before slaughtering a pregnant woman. - Jack Seaton 05:01:38 11/07/09 (8)
    We all know your response if the story line was about a Christian man that went whacko at an abortion clinic, slaughtering folks and yelling out "God isgreat".
    
    You wouldn't be bringing up the Bill of Rights :)
    - So if there is a religiouslly based terrorist attack, we should incarcerate every member of that religion - late 05:12:05 11/07/09 (7)
      Better start packing.
      
      You might try being specific. Unless you are serious about concentration camps. Btw, incarcerating millions of women and children is insane.
      - Umm, show me where I suggested incarceration/concentration camps. - Jack Seaton 05:42:05 11/07/09 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So if there is a religiouslly based terrorist attack, we should incarcerate every member of that religion posted by late on November 07, 2009 at 05:12:05
        
        Please.
        
        Don't weasel - late 06:14:23 11/07/09 (5)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Umm, show me where I suggested incarceration/concentration camps. posted by Jack Seaton on November 07, 2009 at 05:42:05
        
        You never said what the fuck you meant. If you meant anything, which I doubt, beyond generic bitching, that is.
        
        Stop your damn foolishness. (nt - dennzio 09:28:37 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Don't weasel posted by late on November 07, 2009 at 06:14:23
        
        nt
        
        Ask someone that lives at Fort Hood their opinion, if you want one that counts. - Jack Seaton 06:35:28 11/07/09 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Don't weasel posted by late on November 07, 2009 at 06:14:23
        
        You weren't happy with the response from my family member who WAS THERE.
        
        As I stated earlier, you wouldn't have brought up the Bill of Rights if this had been a whacked out Christian fundie who shot up an abortion clinic.
        
        Your response would have been much, much different.
        
        I wonder why?
        
        Well is that not true.... - Dave-A 06:45:24 11/07/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Ask someone that lives at Fort Hood their opinion, if you want one that counts. posted by Jack Seaton on November 07, 2009 at 06:35:28
        
        for you as well?
        
        Your response here seems to place some import to this alleged declaration, but I don't see you spelling it out very clearly. Not like Jazz did yesterday.
        
        But I wonder how it gets us closer to understanding [if we ever will] what actually happened to motivate this man to do what he did....like our continuing ruminations over 'Columbine' and all the rest.
        
        Later
        D
        
        Possibly, but I doubt it. - Jack Seaton 07:06:14 11/07/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Well is that not true.... posted by Dave-A on November 07, 2009 at 06:45:24
        
        I've been outspoken here when Christian fundie whackos pull similar scenarios. Check the archives.
        What triggered Dennis was the "liberal whacko" statement in my first, original posting. He took it personal and I apologize for that.
        As for what triggered the Major, I bet that even his family can not answer that. He did yell out, “Allahu Akbar” – God is great – as he opened fire.
        Why would he say that?
        
        Edits: 11/07/09
        
        'What would make him do/say that?' - Dave-A 07:22:45 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Possibly, but I doubt it. posted by Jack Seaton on November 07, 2009 at 07:06:14
        
        That is the question, but to conflate any specific details of the incident would most likely mislead us and prevent any rational examination of it.
        
        And get us NO closer to understanding anything.
        
        Later
        D
“We don’t know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have ..." - Markw* 04:34:59 11/07/09 (6)
"...all the facts"

You mean like he did when his buddy Gates had his run-in with the cops in Boston?
- The army will fuck this one up for sure...they have already imposed a news blackout - Frihed89 08:04:42 11/07/09 (1)
  My guess is that they are going to every effort to prove that they could not have predicted this man's actions, even to the point of altering the evidence.
  
  But this is stupid, predicting "dangerousness" on an ex ante basis is not exactly a science. The alternative is (was) to lock up anyone you thought had the remotest chance of being violent. The US Supreme Court declared this practice as unconstitutional in the 1970s, precisely because there was no evidence to support these predictions. But of course some of the people who were released from institutions after this ruling did commit violent acts.
  
  So, who do you lock up to feel safe? Statistics suggest that the least violent people are white, college educated, females, followed by white, college educated, males.
  
  "Live free or die"
  - Hindsight is 20/20. Supposedly his internet postings caught their attention in the past. - Markw* 09:50:46 11/07/09 (0)
    But, you know, you can't hang someone for big talk. If so, late would be history.
- So maybe he learned from that - rlindsa 05:19:45 11/07/09 (3)
  Anything wrong with a President learning from past experience?
  
  rlindsa
  - And maybe he also looks at it diferently. You choose. - Markw* 09:47:24 11/07/09 (0)
  - Pssst, he voted for Bush (nt) - late 05:35:44 11/07/09 (1)
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    - Doesn't alter the "irony" involved with his reactions between the two incidents (nt) - Markw* 09:48:42 11/07/09 (0)
You could always buy a dictionary ..nt - late 03:28:15 11/07/09 (0)
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Certainly not, just behaving in a presidential way: what a difference with the dimwit you´ve had at the wheel! - orejones 03:23:19 11/07/09 (0)
What excuse? ...he was tamping down the rumor mill on terror hysteria - DWPC 22:48:49 11/06/09 (0)
He was saying that we don't need people creating boogie men. The bastard was a Muslim loner who went postal; no more. No al Qaida; no sleeper cell. If we're going to blame any group, blame the fucking Green Machine for reverting to its typical institutional stupidity in ignoring the flashing neon "time bomb" sign he's had over his head for the past eight years. There are 5 million Muslims in the US and if just 1% wanted to make trouble, we'd have a horrendous situation. They don't and we don't.

"We must beware of those who burn with zeal but are not endowed with much sense." - Angelo Roncalli
The President offers good advice... - Ivan303 21:13:52 11/06/09 (6)
too bad you are too stupid to take it!

So far we have heard that the shooter was killed, that there were three people involved, now he's alive and the two additional people in custody are no longer suspects.

Boats and Fish!
- The guy KILLED 13 people. Quit making excuses for him or..... - snert 21:46:20 11/06/09 (5)
  are you hoping he will be found innocent?
  - Got reading skills? - Ivan303 08:43:35 11/07/09 (0)
    I don't think so!
    
    Boats and Fish!
  - Funny how you draw THAT conclusion... - Dave-A 06:55:12 11/07/09 (0)
    from his comments.
    
    Unfortunately your REACTION is not particularly surprising though.
    
    I don't understand the harm of rational and intelligent, evaluative thought before deciding which is the best action. But I have noticed that simplistic reacting often turns out to make me look foolish..... or worse.
    
    Even if the first impulse often seems right, upon further examination, I discover something that changes everything I thought I knew.
    
    Later
    D
  - He is a Saint to them - ArdRi 22:34:43 11/06/09 (2)
    - Sorry if not being able to froth at the mouth upset you ..nt - late 03:27:31 11/07/09 (1)
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      - Sniff, sniff, sniff......... - snert 07:28:27 11/07/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Sorry if not being able to froth at the mouth upset you ..nt posted by late on November 07, 2009 at 03:27:31
        
        yep, diesel
Could we at least say he "behaved stupidly"? - Dalton 20:52:30 11/06/09 (1)
I guess not. Devout Muslims don't drink beer, do they?
- only if he was a white cop NT - Jazz Inmate 22:53:16 11/06/09 (0)
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