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In Reply to: RE: Here is some advice from a non-maven posted by TGR on January 04, 2017 at 09:27:03
. . . I think that's some good advice you provided, especially directing listeners to www.abruckner.com, even though that site could be overwhelming for a newbie.
I also agree with you about the 4-movement version of the Ninth Symphony, even though none of the completions I've heard is entirely convincing to me. I still think the symphony is better with its fourth movement, even in an imperfect completion.
As for the Fifth, that's one of my top faves (along with 8 and 9). ;-)
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Chris -- since 5 is a top fave of yours, please make every effort to hear Eichhorn/Bruckner Orchester Linz and Konwitschney/Leipzig Gewandhaus. Both are 2-channel stereo and will knock your socks off! Really, really, really great.
John Proffitt
Berlin Classics has the Neumann 1 -- excellent; and the Bongartz 6, also with Leipzig and also excellent. Try it too.
John Proffitt
1. I'm guilty of misspelling Richard Lehnert's last name.....my bad.
2. Music nerds love Bruckner's 5th....the fugue finale gets 'em every time. Haha - I wish I did respond well to it. A friend of mine who venerates Bruckner feels that his compositions need conductorial oversight more than most - so perhaps I haven't heard a good 5th - what is your recommendation?
In regard to Bruckner Fifth recordings, it strikes me that the recordings you've mentioned (one of which, Harnoncourt, I really do like BTW) tend to feature interpretations which move the music along (even Klemperer AFAIR, although I haven't heard it in decades). So I'm wondering if you might want to try a slower, more massive recording - something like Celibidache/Munich on EMI/Warner? I see jdaniel mentioned the Sinopoli/SkD recording on DG - I have that one and need to re-listen to it. In general, I was pretty happy with what Sinopoli did in Dresden via recordings.
One performance from 2007 that flew under my radar is this one:
I think van Zweden has another, more recent recording with the same orchestra on the Challenge Classics label too, but I just ordered this earlier Exton album. I'll report back once I'm able to hear it. I've also long recommended the Skrowaczewski and Blomstedt complete sets, but the Skrowaczewski set is only available in "plain old CD" resolution, while the Blomstedt set was taken from in-concert performances. So it's possible that these recordings by van Zweden, presumably made under more controlled conditions, might excel just a bit in the SQ department.
Bad for a pianist!
:-)
I believe all the van Zweeden recordings on Exton have been assumed by Challege Classics to complete their set.And yes, Blomstedt is taken 100% from public performances, but that does not impair SQ at all IMO. Audience noise is virtually imperceptable: these are Germans, after all!! -- and the sense of being "in the hall with the orchestra" is wonderful. These are terrific recordings, interpretations and -- with the Gewandhaus -- performances.
John Proffitt
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Sinopoli's or Franz Welser Most did it for me, but then I'm not a Brucknerian.
Berlin/Karajan in the 5th. Very good I think. But I haven't heard too many 5ths.
I agree that this is a superb performance. Alas, DG did a dreadful job IMO with the recording. Not sure why, but they dropped the ball on this one. For my taste, Karajan and Bruckner are heard to best effect in his two early 1970s EMI Electrola recordings of 4 and 7 -- and to a lesser extent his 1958 Symphony 8 -- all recorded in the Jesus-Christus Kirche in Berlin-Dahlem. The DG recordings are all from the Philharmonie, when DG was still apparently trying to figure out how best to record there! My surmise, of course....
John Proffitt
Edits: 01/06/17
I agree, but for some reason I like the sound of the recording of the 5th better than the 8th, even though they are recorded in the same place (I think). Too bad he couldn't have recorded from 4 on up with the Wien in the Musikvereinsaal. But then I would probably miss the strong Berlin strings. Thanks for the EMI recommendations for 4 and 7. What is the orchestra?
The EMI Electrola recordings are all with the Berlin Phil.
Re the difference with DG between 5 and 8 -- the fact was, their engineers were experimenting with mic placement in the Philharmonie. Listen to the 6th from that set to hear the closest HVK came to disaster: not a good outcome.
John Proffitt
What a treat!
I guess if I were to buy another set it would be his SACD set with the Gewandhaus Orchester Leipzig, albeit not cheap(Box Set is out of stock most places and m.
Sadly, only the #7 is available for streaming so that's my only reference other than having heard him conduct Bruckner with the SFO in recent years.
For purchasing the Blomstedt Querstand set, try www.jpc.de
John Proffitt
The 3rd (in the massive, original version) and the 5th. Unbelievable that a man of his age conducts these scores from memory. Clean living, I guess! I acknowledge his mastery of these scores, but wasn't completely convinced by either work. I wasn't alone - lots of folks left during the performance of the 5th. I didn't notice so many during the 3rd.
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