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In Reply to: RE: I actually downloaded portions of the Chailly set, IMHO better to hear as a one-off, live. posted by jdaniel@jps.net on November 23, 2016 at 07:06:37
HIP or no, those strings sound WAY TOO GOOD to not be using vibrato.I hear nothing that Chris should be objecting to. Yes, warm and clean and not so terribly fast for my slow old brain. HvK/Berlin polishes it off in 8:07 while Chailly sloths along in the second movement to the tune of 8:16.
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. . . for Masur's (also with the LGO). Just IMHO.
. . . I haven't heard the Chailly Brahms set yet, so I don't know what the vibrato situation is with it. What I was objecting to was the author's setting up of Chailly as an exemplar of HIP-style vigor and swiftness, when other conductors have been taking tempos every bit as vigorous and swift for years. Your own example of Karajan (!) in the second movement of the Third Symphony speaks volumes. Of course, this wouldn't fit the author's narrative, so it's conveniently ignored.
The LGO has always been one of my favorite orchestras, but I feel that, under Chailly, they've begun to lose their special tonal qualities much in the same manner that the BPO lost theirs under the reigns of Abbado and Rattle. I remember an interview with Kurt Masur when he was out here in SF. He said he was amazed at all the diversity represented in Western orchestras - but he was speaking of the geographical diversity of the players, not racial or ethnic diversity. In contrast, he mentioned that, in Leipzig, almost all the players in the LGO came from the local conservatory, where the same methods of tone production and other aspects of technique were taught and emphasized. So it's not entirely Chailly's fault that this old LGO tone quality has been lost, as more and more players join the orchestra from outside the immediate boundaries of the Leipzig area.
My point exactly.
I find nothing HIP about Chailly and LGO in the Brahms disk, and I've now streamed the three CD set.
And where would one put a guy like Blomstedt into the equation? A short tenure of just seven years or so at LGO, but still, a first class Bruckner series to show for it.
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