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In Reply to: RE: Colin Davis' final Sibelius 2nd: blah posted by jdaniel@jps.net on November 07, 2016 at 14:32:18
Try the John Storgards Sibelius 2 on Chandos. Intense performance and superb sound. Unfortunately you have to buy the whole symphony cycle although downloads may break up the set if you can buy tracks.
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Also, there's a little bit of a minus for me in that there doesn't seem to be a multi-channel download available anywhere, even though the SACD is (presumably?) multi-channel. (And I don't want to buy the SACD because the master is PCM, and, just on principle, I avoid format conversions if I can.)
I like the fact that the Storgards set also contains those tiny fragments from the Eighth Symphony - fascinating!
Among the many very recent sets of Sibelius symphonies, I recently got the Kamu and Vanska/Minnesota sets on BIS - I still have Storgards and Lintu to go!
I am perfectly happy with 44.1/16, if the recording is sound.
(other than the little excerpts on The Classical Shop site)
Quite often, I'm very happy with 16/44.1 too. I do like the multi-channel aspect (which is much more available in the higher-rez worlds) and I miss it when it's not there. Still, that doesn't mean that I dislike CD rez at all.
You (and other listeners) are right to emphasize that it's the basics that make the biggest difference in our reactions to recordings - higher-rez is just icing on the cake.
I think that with jdaniel having left the vinyl world in favor of the hi-rez digital world, we've been having a lot of discussion here recently which is connected to his new interest.
Chandos have not released it in SACD. It is only available in 16/44.1. stereo. This is because it is not originally a Chandos recording but a BBC one made at their new(ish) Media City studio in Salford (Manchester). This is home to the BBC Philharmonic and they have the luxury of a state of the art space designed for the purposes of recording and broadcasting. I regularly listen to broadcasts from there and SQ is uniformly excellent. So good that I wonder if you would know that it isn't a higher resolution format if you hadn't been told ( absence of surround sound notwithstanding)? BTW I don't suggest that the original recording format was 16/44.1. I think it may have been 24/96 given the new facilities at Salford.Although I agree with your stance on avoiding format conversions to carry it to a logical conclusion would mean not buying SACD or DSD recordings. All will have been sample rate converted. The majority from PCM masters and those remaining during editing. Whatever the demerits of conversion are they will remain audible even if the final stage is conversion back to the original DSD.
Incidentally I have the Neschling Respighi Roman Festivals recording in both SACD and in its original recording format of 24/44.1. The latter sounds better than the SACD. I ought to check this again though as I believe that my SACD player was due a service at the time I did the comparison.
BTW have you noticed that Chandos appear to have removed that highly useful section on their website which gave details of all recordings in their catalogue including original recording format?
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I agree that they're generally wonderful. I never get tired of recommending Sinaisky's Rimsky-Korsakov album, or his multi-composer album whose CD incarnation was once available as a BBC Music Magazine freebie:
(For some reason, I can't find the 24/96 download of the Glazunov album right now - it has/had a different cover)
Anyway, the Stogards Sibelius set is available as a 24/96 download from The Classical Shop, but in 2-channel only. As I suggested in my earlier post, I'll probably break down and get the download at some point. Bad assumption on my part that it was available in SACD format.
BTW, in connection with your comments, I do try to minimize my purchases of SACD's these days, although of course I do have a lot of them from years past, and, since my pre-pro doesn't "do" DSD, SACD's are my only means of getting the "pure" (LOL!) DSD experience (by means of the internal DAC in one of my older players and its analog connections).
And, yes, I've noticed the changes in the Chandos (Classical Shop) website which in many ways make it more difficult to get to the information I want - I guess that's progress! ;-)
" Anyway, the Stogards Sibelius set is available as a 24/96 download from The Classical Shop"
Sorry to disappoint you Chris but it's redbook only. However my view is that the sound is so good that you won't care ( subject, of course, to how good your 16/44.1 processing is).
Nice to see you supporting Radio 3!
. . . for a mere 24.99 pounds - not too bad for a set like this.
Chris, Thanks and damn, I've already bought the 16/44.1. Still if those nice Nigerian gentlemen who are promising me 25% of 100M pounds sterling for using my bank account to keep their income in excess of what they have accounted for come through I shall be able to afford both .
Best Wishes
Pete
must buy whole cycle, which is $85.
May still pull the trigger, but while listening to samples, there a very unfortunately horn crack in the finale of the 5th. But that leave the rest....
I just checked The Classical Shop and it is possible to download only the 2nd in Storgards' traversal of the cycle. It would cost you 9.80 gbp which is not a bargain compared to the whole set at under 20 gbp.
I then ripped the BD Audio disc to get the hi-res files onto my computer. A much cheaper proposition than buying the hi-res files alone (if you've got the ability to rip BDs, that is).
Russell
performances?
I'm a late-comer to this set, and I was frankly stunned by both Maazel's intensity and the VPO's ability to turn a "craggy" phrase.
So glad I didn't completely fall prey to the anti-Maazel soundbites on the 'net, (although mostly spot on, LOL), but I really enjoyed his Sibelius 1st and 2nd, but haven't heard the rest in their entirety.
And then there's that Decca sound....
I love Maazel's intensity and the sound of the VPO in this set, and Decca's done a great job with the remastering. (It's from Maazel's early days and has none of the mannerisms/slow-downs that crept into his recordings in his late years (post-Cleveland).) The Tchaikovsky/VPO set he did around the same time is cut from the same cloth--maybe that'll be next.
Russell
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