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In Reply to: RE: Ansermet's Petrushka available at HDTT !!! posted by rbolaw on September 30, 2016 at 19:12:00
I've ordered four which they claim are 'on their way', hopefully on their way to me not on their way from the disk burner to some other department in the building.
Stravinsky Le Sacre Du Printemps - Ernest Ansermet & L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande × 1 Budget 24/192 DVD Audio Stereo Disc (No Jewel Box only Disc)
Stravinsky conducts the Firebird Ballet (Complete) - Igor Stravinsky Columbia Symphony Orchestra - 4 parts × 1 Budget 24/192 DVD Audio Stereo Disc (No Jewel Box only Disc)
Schubert Symphony No. 3 and 8 - William Steinberg - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra × 1 Budget 24/192 DVD Audio Stereo Disc (No Jewel Box only Disc)
Stravinsky Petrushka - Ernest Ansermet & L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande × 1 Budget 24/192 DVD Audio Stereo Disc (No Jewel Box only Disc)
Can't wait!
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I've purchased a handful of HDTT 24/192 DVD Audio Stereo Discs over the last several years. This is the format I prefer. HDTT always does an excellent job of transfer. The most important factor is the tape used for the transfer. HDTT has used commercial releases of 2-track and 4-track tapes at 7½ ips and 2-track 15 ips tapes of often unspecified provenance. It all depends on what HDTT has access to.
A transfer from a 2-track 15 ips tape should produce a better sound. This tape is a copy of a tape, or a copy of a copy of a tape, or a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a tape. It could be 5 generations down. If all carefully done the losses can be minimized. And this doesn't take into consideration the quality of the original recording.
I have 4 Tape Project 15 ips tapes and one Yarlung Records 15 ips tape. The sound is stunning and beats anything else I have heard. I have some other 2-track 15 ips tapes of unknown pedigree. The sound is still very good, but not at the Tape Project and Yarlung Records level.
The Ansermet Rite of Spring is good too (and, perhaps more importantly, interesting!), but it's a little weak in some ways compared to the incredible Litton download on BIS - I've been meaning to post about these loose ends (i.e., the Litton Stravinsky album and the Vanska vs. the Kamu Sibelius cycles), but I've had lots of distractions recently. Maybe later this weekend.
So I'm looking forward to hearing it as it was on 2 track 15ips tape.
Recall one of the best sounding system I have ever heard at a show was a Studer playing 15ips 2 track tapes into Cogent field coil horns.
Hysterical is how I'd put it.
Just please for the love of Darwin don't wonder aloud if there's something wrong with my system, or that two channel isn't enough. Bad taste is bad taste.
Let me ask this: have you ever run room correction programs or software, and if so, what did you think? In my case, it made a noticeable improvement.
Not what the Bergen needs in such music; from a psycho-acoustic POV, it's a deal breaker.
I can see how overcompensating at the recording end could make lesser systems sound more dynamic though.... ; )
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Your attempt at a reductio ad absurdum is easily seen for the smokescreen it is.
Remember, Bissie was receiving a lot of complaints about dull, weak bass in his recordings at the time, especially when said recordings were played at sensible levels. Maybe his bass drum concerto Rite was a reductio ad absurdem response to the criticism!
From the Amazon review linked below."The dynamics are great, the drums kick ass. If its at the right price, buy it. I listen to 2 channel, I don't know about surround."
"Frankly, I love the immediacy of the bass drum and tympani: bone-crushing outbursts often"
Edits: 10/02/16
I'm sure Bissie"e experiment paid off, but if one"s speakers project the truth, it's audiophile at its worst .
Btw, your sparklers are frickin bad-ass. Did you download this abomination?
Didn't you post (a few posts above), "please for the love of Darwin don't wonder aloud if there's something wrong with my system" - and yet that doesn't prevent you from supposing aloud that most of the eleven listeners on Amazon who have heaped praise on this Litton/Bergen Rite must have boutique systems with 6" speakers. And only YOUR speakers project the truth? LOL!
Well, OK. . . perhaps we'd be right to be suspicious of some of the amateur reviewers on Amazon or even of the so-called "professional" reviewers in the glossy rags (or web sites!), but here's a selection of the "professionals" falling over themselves to sing paeans about the recorded sound here:"The recorded sound is exceptional in both stereo and, especially, surround, with a real sense of how Stravinsky moves details around the orchestra." - BBC Music MagazineReally, do they ALL have 6" boutique speakers? ;-)
"state-of-the-art sonics that will thrill high-end audiophiles (at least so I assume, as I am not one of them but was mightily impressed). As with most BIS recordings, the dynamic range is very wide. . . everything snaps into focus and the result is stunning whatever your preferences: regular stereo, SACD stereo, or surround. . . the conclusion of Part One will lift you out of your seat. In Part Two, the battle between the Stegosaurus and the T-Rex (oops, that's Fantasia, isn't it?) packs a huge wallop but also sounds somehow musical, while the final sacrificial dance, lean and mean, doesn't wimp out in the post-mayhem coda." - Dave over at Classics Today
"On a scale of 1 to 10 for sound quality, I would have to give this one a 12." - Classical Music Sentinel
"For the sheer impact of performance and recording, Litton's BIS disc is hard to beat" - BBC Radio3
I'm sorry.
Sorry, but every time I hear Vandersteen...
I'm not criticizing Vandersteens.
Look, I like a lot of your posts (not least for their enthusiasm and entertainment value), but you tend to opine in absolutist terms, and this time you got caught with your pants down: criticism of your system is verboten, while you remain free to criticize other systems that you only surmise that other listeners (who might be so bold as to express their own enthusiasm of the Litton/Bergen Rite of Spring) might have. That's a no-no when you're trying to make your point. ;-)
No, I don't criticize Vandersteens, but, at the same time, they're not the only path to musical truth.
I look forward to your review, (do you think the Dance of the Earth is adequately articulated and transparent?) and you wont hear another peep from me obsessing over the bells and whistles.
Also wasn't very taken by Neschling's Pines; another recording loved by all it seems.
Bought it for the Petrushka, as I have other 'Rites'.Regards the Bass Drum in the Rite, the mid-bass horns on my Edgar Titans only go down to about 80 Hz.
No sub either. :-(
I did listen to it the other day on ClassicsOnlineHD at 24/96 on my DAC/Headphone Amp and still sounded pretty good, drums and all. OK, HD-600 is not the best for Bass-Heads, so there's that.
A pagan sacrifice of a virgin without a decent drum track makes no sense at all, does it?
Edits: 10/02/16
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