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In Reply to: RE: There are 20 in that list with many you nominate in it + 20 TOP CONDUCTORS!!!! posted by John C. - Aussie on August 20, 2016 at 17:28:56
Carlos Kleiber is maybe the most overrated conductor I've ever heard..... He never got good articulation out of an orchestra, and everything is just "glossed over"...... And he never performed the Beethoven Ninth.....
I never cared for Simon Rattle either..... To say he was better than George Szell or Fritz Reiner is laughable.....
There are a lot of great conductors NOT on this list..... Reiner, Serge Koussevitzky, Bruno Walter, Kirill Kondrashin, Charles Dutoit, Antal Dorati, Leopold Stokowski...... It's like this group was concocted by a naive Millennial.....
Heck, I'd even toss Semyon Bychkov and Valery Gergiev in there..... Who I both would take over Simon Rattle, let alone Carlos Kleiber.
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The British homerism is just too obvious on that list. More than 1/4 of the greatest conductors of all time are all from one tiny country? Who else would put on their own list Rattle, Gardiner, Davis, Beecham, Barbirolli and MacKerras (an Aussie who conducted several British orchestras and last night at the Proms)?
Your list of notable omissions highlights the absence of Russians. In addition to the names you mention as contenders -- Kubelik, Bohm, Jansons, Chailly, Klemperer, Jarvi, Mitropoulos, Jochum ......
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
Can't believe I left out Klemperer and Bohm..... These were two giants.... Klemperer's Schumann Four was almost definitive..... And one of the great Beethoven conductors in my humble opinion.
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