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In Reply to: RE: Karajan's 5th is one of the highlights of that set posted by TGR on August 03, 2016 at 15:48:16
But a large part of that preference derives from the engineering. I just wish I could hear Kleiber sometime where I wasn't quite so aware of all the microphones being used. I used to have a laser disc of Kleiber and the Amsterdam Concertgebouw Orchestra doing the 7th. At the time, I liked it better than the DG recording with the VPO. (I wonder what I would think now?) The recording quality on the big marquee Kleiber recordings (Brahms 4th too) is so distracting that I really don't know what to think about him.
BTW, I'm interested in what you see as the major miscalculations in the Karajan performances of the 6th, 7th, and 8th symphonies. Could you elaborate?
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You should be able to find this under the title - my sa-cd.net username was tream. At that time I did not own the LPs. Having said that, I have yet to listen to them - picked up a set cheap about a year ago.
This shows that memory is an unfaithful friend....apparently I liked the fast tempo in the first movement of Pastorale better than I recalled. But, I have never liked the "traditional" slow to a dirge in the trio of the 7ths Scherzo - and I found the 4th movement overdriven, and then there is the ponderous tempo of the 3rd movement of the 8th.
Madeline commented on it too. The tempos you mentioned in the 6th and 7th didn't bother me - I felt Karajan pulled them off convincingly. For many years, I thought Karajan's Decca 7th with the VPO (from just a couple of years earlier than this DG set) was perhaps slightly fresher than this BPO one, but I need to hear them back to back.
I like your comment about Kmentt, the tenor in the 9th - he was really a "let the chips fall where they may" type of singer. ;-)
You can't judge the last movement of the Kleiber performance without listening to the whole symphony There is a forward momentum from the start culminating in the searing last movement. If you want a great performance with killer sound the new recording on Reference Recordings of Honeck and the Pittsburgh symphony is a great performance with reference quality sound
Alan
Edits: 08/03/16
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