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In Reply to: RE: For me, Sergiu Celibidache is the only conductor to make it sound like religion and not performance posted by John Marks on July 25, 2016 at 17:07:58
I have and love Celibidache's recording too - I even had it on the "Exclusive" label well before it was finally issued by EMI. Among Celibidache's soloists, I think Barbara Bonney is close to her absolute best on record, but they're all excellent, regardless of how well known each of them was.
I also think that, conceptually, Celibidache's recording is close to Giulini's great Sony recording with the Bavarian Radio Symphony and Chorus. (I haven't heard his much earlier BBC recording.)
HIP recordings will never, ever achieve the level of profundity that Celibidache and Giulini do in this work. (Yeah, yeah - IMHO!)
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But it's more probably based in economics / income, plus an inability to enjoy new approaches.I for one am tired of it.
You are of course entitled to your opinions, but it has resulted in a reduction in calm, pleasant and enjoyable discussion of HIP recordings and performances on this board.
People have left. Is that a good thing?
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 07/27/16
I hope you don't purport to speak for others here. I, for one, have not noticed any fall-off of interest, except, perhaps, after Brian Cheney's death.
Then again, as you know, I don't esteem HIP as do you. But we needn't agree, eh?
Your friend Jeremy
I'm not preventing anyone from posting in favor of HIP performances. It's just that, personally, the HIP movement is an anathema to me, for the various reasons I've stated over the years.
Timbo - your HIP side is actually WINNING the hearts and minds of many performers and audience members, much to my chagrin. My anti-HIP posts are (among other things) cries of despair! ;-)
CB is one.
And, when I have some time we'll explore how 'inadequate' harpsichords are. I am looking forward to that.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Link to C.B's last post on this board.
Doesn't seem very mad to me.
. . . I suspect that if people have been driven away my my posts, it's probably more from the babe posts than from the anti-HIP posts - if I'm judging the tone of some of the replies correctly. Of course, there's always the anti-serialist posts, the anti-vinyl and analog posts, and the anti-Eurotrash posts. Hard to tell, really. . .
Anti-vinyl and analog(ue)??!!!! -- That's it; I'm outa here!!
Jeremy
THAT would be too much!
...that would shut things down before they even got started.
dh
Hey, when you're a popular poster..............
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
So we've got CB so far - and did he indicate in any way that my posts drove him away?
Regarding harpsichords (aka plucksichords or clangsichords), I believe we've already had that discussion (and I even conceded a few points to you IIRC), but if you want to start it up again, I'm game.
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