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In Reply to: RE: Ernest Ansermet - French Music posted by svisner on May 01, 2016 at 15:56:33
All of the qualities associated with the OSR are minute compared to the Paris Conservatory Orchestra.
So, if the OSR was "as close to HIP as one could get back then" - that's an exact cut/paste of Jiminy's statement ----
--- then what does that make the PCO? The PCO would've been super, ultra ultra ultra HIP
But wait. He's saying ONLY the OSR was "as close to HIP as one could get back then".
Either they were or they weren't. Does that make the PCO ANTI-HIP?????
Oh - what about Scherchen's rough Vienna State Opera Orchestra. They had rough, scrawny strings, intonation-plagued winds, etc. HIP HIP HIP HIP
Oh man. Just how many HIPs were there back in the 1950s???
Just the OSR. That's what JDaniels has said. Until he says he didn't say it.
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Silly questions on your part to sound authoritative information I guess.
You SPECIFICALLY said:
"The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally constructed and quite astringent winds, diaphanous strings and colorful brass was as close to HIP as one could get back then".
Then, you repeated it, just an hour ago:
"I've said in the past that the OSR sounds delightfully HIP".
Very specific. You said NOTHING about the general French orchestra sound. You NEVER ONCE mentioned the PCO.
Have you even ever heard the PCO?
Jiminy, lying spinning Jiminy. Just say "I was wrong" and let it go. All of your posts are right here. Anyone can see what you've said for themselves.
YOU CAN'T LIE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE
Maybe I should start collecting all of the dumb errors you've posted on this site since I've come back, and then start a new thread of Jiminy's Greatest Hits.
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Totally could have happened and definitely worth entertaining the possibility that they'd sound different from the OSR.
Really Newey, people on here, at least those bored enough to follow, already know that orchestras shared the same characteristic sound.
You didn't. Not once.
"The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally constructed and quite astringent winds, diaphanous strings and colorful brass was as close to HIP as one could get back then".
A statement for the ages.
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But not recognizing a simple G on staff? A Bruckner specialist not recognizing the simple trumpet tune opening the 3rd symphony? One for the ages indeed. Even Prince could have plunked that one out.From 2007:
"6), 7) and 8: 3 lp's featuring the early Paris Conservatory Orchestra. So make fun of them if you want, with their bleating horns, squacky woodwinds and relatively thin string basses.... Old wine in old bottles can be quite interesting as well! The resulting astringency yields very refreshing performances of Prokofiev's 5th, (with Martinon), Prokofiev's Piano Concerto #2 (with the young Frager and Leibowitz), and a very early recording of Scheherezahde with Ansermet. All I believe were Decca recordings with that uncanny, tangible sound."
Edits: 05/04/16
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