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In Reply to: RE: Newey: the instruments themselves don't create vibrato. The players do. My point about the OSR's sound is posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 03, 2016 at 10:27:51
>>>My point about the OSR's sound is that it's blessedly free of the Applebee's BBQ chicken pizza homogenized sound<<<
Nope. That's not what you said. What you said is very clear, and it's posted down below, right in this thread for all to see. Just in case you try to weasel out of you statements, I'll paste them right here:
>>>The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally constructed and quite astringent winds, diaphanous strings and colorful brass was as close to HIP as one could get back then<<<
And, just moments ago, again:
>>>I've said in the past that the OSR sounds delightfully HIP<<<
So, you're saying that the OSR were "the closest thing to HIP", except when you're shown to be wrong. Then, you try to spin out of that.
The fact that orchestras all used to sound different back then [and the homogenization process was first noticed in the mid 70s, afaik] is something YOU'RE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF.
The OSR wasn't an exception. All orchestras sounded different. The Paris Conservatory Orchestra sounded even MORE like what you think the OSR sounds like. They were even MORE "piquent", and often really out of tune. Peculiar section balances, as if each section was independent and maybe hostile to the others.
So, even if we accept for second your silly contention that the OSR sounded "HIP", that'd make the PCO even MORE HIP.
EVEN MORE MORE MORE HIP
OMG - the mind boggles. And, why stop there. The Minneapolis SO had a highly individual, string-light sound. HIP - right there. Yuppers.
Oh - and the Russians. The Russians claimed for decades upon decades that they were the final carriers of authentic tradition. Just listen to those Soviet era recording. The horn and brass vibrato is out of this world. That's anti-HIP, EXCEPT acccording to you. YOU think it more HIP.
As I'd said below - anyone - ANYONE - may verify for themselves whether the OSR, the PCO [and other French orchestras], or any other ensemble, sounds HIP or doesn't. NOBODY NEEDS TO TAKE YOUR SPIN-JOB WORD FOR IT. Nor mine, for that matter.
You clearly think that any kind of peculiar, individualist sound is automatically HIP.
Creates a true straw man:
>>>Newey: the instruments themselves don't create vibrato<<<
As if I ever said anything of the sort. Nothing like making something up and then accusing someone of saying that.
I'm betting that in the little bit of real life that you have outside of here, the few people who know [knew] you regard you as a swindler and a con man.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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You have your fun revealing and demolishing. I've never met anyone who's minimized and perverted the wonderful gift of music more than you.
Desperately trying to spin your way out of the pool of really embarrassing statements you've made.
Psssst - they're all still here, for all to see.
Maybe you can get a moderator to delete them for you. Whew. Save face.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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The posts are all still here.
Can't hide from them.
All of your words --- still here. DAMNING EVIDENCE.
Best run to that bar of yours, and seek solace in your own kind there.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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