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In Reply to: RE: Ernest Ansermet - French Music posted by svisner on May 01, 2016 at 15:56:33
If anyone's even paying attention, you can see a natural born liar, swindler, fast-talking used car salesman in action --- right here.
I've pointed out that most HIP orchestras use 3 to 4 basses. Heck, some use just 2.
LOOK AT HOW HE MAGICALLY TRANSFORMS THAT TO SIX!!!!!
And, that lets him claim that, heck, SIX isn't a negligible difference to OSR's 8.
Amazing. This guys should be selling real estate deeds to land on the moon.
What a liar. What a loser.
BTW - Karajan use 10 - T E N - basses. That probably negligible, too. Lord, why does this board attract so many mentally challenged?
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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Moreover Gardiner's HIP orchestra list five personnel in the string bass section. Where do you get the " three to four" generalization unless it's more self serving spaciousness? The OAE might use two basses for a Mozart concerto and five to six for a Dvorak symphony. Choosing the number of players is a practical issue, not an Old Testament prescription.
Edits: 05/03/16
3 to 4 is the number I always see listed for HIP orchestras. Herreweghe's Orchestre des Champs Elysées uses 4 for Bruckner, I believe.
Hooray. Gardner uses as massive 5. And, Norrington muscles in there with 6.
Let's do a little simple math, shall we?
A modern orchestra usually has 8 to 9. So,
9 minus 5 = 4
9 minus 6 = 3
8 minus 5 = 3
8 minus 6 = 2
I'm doing this simpleton stuff, cause you will either:
* not understand my point due to your IQ problems [which I've established in the past; see my prior posts]
* do a really slimey spin job on my point[s]
Taking the bigger numbers, the difference between 5 and 9 is 4, which is equal to the entire bass section of a HIP so-called orchestra. THAT'S a SUBSTANTIAL difference. Anyone should hear that in a hall.
Yes, audibility will be affected by the nature of a hall, and even more, by your seat in it. But, assuming a good hall, say such as Orchestra Hall in Chicago, that'd make a BIG difference.
And, I can attest to that from personal experience - in Orchestra Hall Chicago. Conductors, especially visiting ones, now routinely use 4 to 5 basses when performing Mozart and even some Beethoven. Then, for the latter part of a given concert, they bring out the full bass complement, the difference is awesomely clear.
EXCEPT TO THE TONE DEAF.
If you're tone deaf - no difference. Yes, Jiminy. I think you're tone deaf - and not a little.
Taking the smallest number 6 vs 8, the addition of 2 basses may or may not be immediately apparent to the average listener, and certainly not to a tone deaf inferior defective, but, especially in certain parts of a hall, it's audible, especially in certain key seats in the hall.
As for the bass complement for HIPs, I'd love to read a true and accurate compilation of the number of basses the major HIP orchestras use, if anyone has such information.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Number is chosen based upon the piece being played, the venue, or more broadly speaking, the musical niche in which the ensemble specializes.
Again your lack of practice experience is tripping you up.
Let it go.
I took pains to point out the AUDIBLE differences is halls for mathematically specific numbers of basses. A-U-D-I-B-L-E
WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "EYE CANDY"????????????
Oh. YOU DID. YOU JUST MADE IT UP RIGHT NOW, and then you put those words in my mouth.
MY POST IS RIGHT THERE - ANYONE CAN READ IT
I put in specific numbers, and related those numbers to hall listening experiences.
WOW
You're really outdoing yourself. Your lying and spinning are out of control. Holy shit.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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The only flaw I see here is your OSR = HIP.
What about the PCO? Or any French orchestra??????????????
WHAT FLAWED PREMISE, diggle bells?
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Jiminy ad hominems in the world wont make your feelings of inadequacy go away.
Come on. Where?????????
The posts are all here.
Link it, you lying sack of
Go ahead. LINK IT.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Sigh. You implied it in lines two and three. Otherwise what did you mean?
Edits: 05/03/16
Jeez. Putting words in my mouth and making shit up, right in front of my eyes.
If you're going to attack me, at least be straight and honest about it. Don't make shit up.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Taking a shot at them. You're well aware of the strategy.
But, now that you bring it up, yeah - the more basses the better.
Strong, powerful music and sound. Yeah. I want to FEEL IT. POWER.
POWER = TRUTH
My power crushes your skull.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
1. The OSR had an individual sonority and playing style.
2. ERGO - the automatically = HIP. Weeeeeeeeeeee
3. The number of basses use doesn't matter and can't be heard, cause he can't hear the difference
4. The PCO? Jiminy never heard of them.
5. French orchestras? No such thing. Just the OSR [technically Swiss].
6. Modern instruments, string vibrato, wind and horn section vibrato, metal strings, modern conducting, modern orchestral size = HIP
7. Instruments don't create vibrato - players do [HA HA HA - I love that one - talk about putting words in my mouth - a gem]
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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