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In Reply to: RE: Classic non sequitur responses. Can you name the tune? ( No help from the audience please.) posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 01, 2016 at 20:04:25
You call THAT harmonic sophistication? Hawr hawr hawr
Wait till you get to Debussy, or Schreker. Heck, Cole Porter.
Oh, wait - those are 'dead white guys', and you don't listen to dat klassiko crap.
Let's see. This example of sophistication:
C A C ---- right there, that's a commonplace in blues and blues imitation pop music, used in a million pop tunes.
Followed by C e flat C and right straight back to A.
The A-C-e flat chord [diminished chord] used so often in blues that it's a cliche. But, for the dim and simple minded, I can see how it's THE MUSICAL OUTER LIMITS.
Oooooo weeee. Look out. We've really busted out here, haven't we? Eons beyond triadic scherzos of dead white guys. Oh, rock hero Jimmy Hendrix opened one of his popular tunes with a chord progression even more daring the your little passage here, and that was 49 years ago. So much for progress in your little pop world.
As for what it's from - you jest don't read well, do you, punk?
I said I hate rock music. What makes you think I listen to it, except when I'm somewhere where it's playing and I can't escape it. So, what makes you think I'd ever know some goofy tune that you're quoting, which has you addled like some teenage girl over the latest boy band?
NO - I DON'T KNOW YOUR BREEEENTCH TUNE
Now, go crank up some one-chord techno - for you, it's "harmonically the bomb".
The tunes of Breeench that I've heard were
Severius! Supremus Invictus
Follow Ups:
It's the opening of Bruckner's third symphony.
Hawr hawr hawr indeed.
Good lord newey, can't pitch em slower than that.
bad now.
We all humiliate ourselves once and awhile and although you just did it on a grand scale I'm sure very few noticed or will remember for long.
I read C - A - C.
And, if that's what it was, then I was 100% correct. That'd be commmonly used in blues.
The opening theme to which you refer is a simple [yes, simple] decending chord outlined against a minor key background. So, it's:
C - G - C
Even a child could hear that.
And, yes, that "elemental", skeletal part of the opening theme of the Bruckner 3rd is just that simple. It could go major or minor.
But, that's not all there is to it. Any fool can hear that Bruckner then gives much more, not just simple triadic repetitions, as rockers would do.
I guess my sight reading error is a major victory for you, after the COUNTLESS of really, really, really embarrising errors you've posted - time after time after time [jeez]. Take a little victory lap, Jiminy. Go ahead. Treat yourself. You've proved the Severius! sight reads poorly.
THIS IS POSSIBLY THE GREATEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE.
[It must be hell being you. But, who else could you be?]
Severius! Supremus Invictus
...so at least your next wild rant wont be unintentionally funny.You shouldn't be comparing strophic or verse/chorus form etc to through- composed music anyway, but that's a discussion for another day.
You prove that you care more about whom you *think* wrote the music than the quality of the music itself, rookie move notwithstanding.
Edits: 05/01/16
What a slippery, slimey, liar you are. YOU'RE the one who brought up Bruckner - of all people - in a thread about as far away from Bruckner as one could get.
And now you accuse me of doing that.
"You shouldn't be comparing strophic or verse/chorus form etc to through- composed music anyway"
And, you're doing it incompetantly, as always.
My point on the subject was merely to indicate how harmonically limited, simple-minded to stupid rockers are. I wasn't comparing song forms to symphonic forms, per se.
But, what we've learned about you here today is a lot:
1. Loves dumb rock and roll
2. Dismisses 'dead white guy' klassiko music and hates it
3. Desperately seeks approval of rockers
4. Capable of bringing in unrelated topics and then, I have to admit, really sneekingly twist them into a means of attacking Neward Thelman
5. Has little literary knowledge
6. Equates the use of prescription medication with hard core recreational drug abuse [elderly folks beware!]
7. Has a confused notion of current social trends
8. Spends time in embarrasing bars
Finally, I don't care if you like Bruckner or not. In fact, I'd rather that you'd hate him. But, since you've dragged a 19th century [dead white guy] classical composer into a thread about a dead 21st century black entertainer [they go together like GUNS and SANDWICHES (wack-job brain)], I may just have to start a thread with my own analysis of the Bruckner 3rd, which you've obviously misunderstood about as badly as I missed an A for a G.
Here's a sneak preview:
* The piece closes as it opens, with the I - V - I progression triumphant in major. Bruckner, unlike so many composers, didn't have a 'finale problem'. What was the 'finale problem'? Who had it?
* The scherzo of the Third wasn't built on "galloping" triads, major or minor.
And, I'll expand.
Going to sleep now. You - well, your life's gray.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
And those Tourette's-like ejaculations of "BREEENCH" punctuating the empty, misguided rhetoric? So bad it was like midnight movie, cult classic good lol.Anyway:
The melodic contours and notes values of my test --even with your "misreading"--should have instantly given the bruckner opening away.
I chose that ultra simple excerpt because I thought you'd get it right; I actually wanted you to succeed. Oh well.
You just don't have a solid musical foundation and as such you're unable to sort out the myriad musical factoids floating around your head at ant given moment.
Edits: 05/02/16
Your pathetic desperation to trip me up have reached such a pitch that all I can do is lean back and laugh --- and then pity your weird obsession with me.
As always, you're TOTALLY WRONG [jeez]. All that you've "proven" is that I sightread poorly. That's all.
You, presumably, read well; and yet you still fail to grasp musical issues - as far as you even are aware of them at all.
And, these post here in this thread suggest that you don't have any better knowledge of literature, social trends --- crap, boy ---
HWUT DO YOU KNOW?
Sports? Lebron James? Football?
Is there anything functioning in that skull of yours? Cause, Baby Bubbu, you sure as hell don't know squat about music.
Go have a nice life.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
And what would the Bruckner scholars-- whom you're trying to influence-- think?
If you play it, you'll hear a completely different harmony. Follow the C - A - C by the minor triplet, which puts you right into a blues.
Surely, even you can hear the difference between C A C
and C G C.
Or, can you?
If you then play C - A - C - C - e flat - C
without regard to time values, you hear a common blues progression ["riff"].
I was distracted, and I thought you were stubbornly transcribing some Prince music over which you were gaga. So, impatiently, I didn't give your little scrawl much thought - or apparently, correct sight reading, extremely simple as it was [you're totally correct - C - G - C --- there's really nothing simpler, other than just, oh, C C C C - which, BTW, the cRappers do all the time - just one chord, or even just on synth note - over which they chant their profanities].
As for misreading the G as an A, what can I say? I was doing several things at once, and annoyed with your rapid, pestilent posts - so I shot one back, half assed. It happens. Sue me.
But as I've said here back in 1999, even my errors are more correct and edifying than the feeble groping for right answers of most others.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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