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In Reply to: RE: "Old fashioned" -- so why don't you move on? posted by rbolaw on April 15, 2016 at 13:31:34
The 20th cent tonalists have had some influence - chiefly, as you point out, in cinema music, although the influence of traditionalists [at least as far as movie scores are concerned] is far greater. John Williams had so far permanently changed the way movies are scored to this day.
There's zero influence of any radicalists on pop-rock music. No connection whatsoever.
Movies are proof of pragmatism. Movies tend to use what works for effect, not for the concert hall. Minimalism is highly effective for certain television and cinema settings.
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They use whatever works.
But, you'd have to be deaf and dumb [mostly the latter] to not hear how the tonal symphonic side of Williams have changed movie scoring. I estimate that every 3rd or 4th movie features such scoring. And, almost any big budget picture has tonal symphonic music as its centerpiece.
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They use whatever works, and will help sell the picture, or create an effect, or enhance the plot, etc. etc. etc.
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No matter -- you see the impact some of these composers have had. We aren't going back to Korngold and Romberg. Or Rachmaninoff and Scriabin. Or Bruckner and Reger. (Much as I am a fan of all of them.) Western music has permanently changed. And btw, what goes on outside the concert hall does not stay outside the concert hall.
... "Revolution 9", perhaps most obviously.Lennon, McCartney, Ono were big fans of Cage's experimental music. "Revolution 9" was an unabashed "homage" to Cage's "Variations IV"(1965).
We do know that "radical" classical music found a better foothold in film music than it did in pop music.
Has this radical film music somehow affected the way that pop music has developed *in an unconscious way* to some degree? The answer is probably "yes", given the popularity of all things related to TV and movies in the 20th century and beyond.
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