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In Reply to: RE: So, you like Bruckner? posted by hesson11 on April 12, 2016 at 18:26:34
The 9th has some bad-ass chord progressions for brass at the end of the 1st mov't.
Turn out the lights, pour a glass of wine and listen to just the 3rd mov't of the 8th. Only Wand gets the harps right. My preference is his Lubeck live but his earlier recording on DHM is pretty close.
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I mean, I've got that Wand recording, and I have no idea what you mean.
upon your system.)
They're absurdly spot-lit! But on my cheap college system, it was easy to imagine a winged Liberace descending from the Heavens. I loved it and unfortunately imprinted on their larger than life presence.
This particular 8th has a special "glow" because it was recorded in the barely domesticated acoustic of the Lubeck cathedral. The strings and those quiet brass chorales are gorgeous but some of the climaxes are congested. That said, it's still my favorite.
knowledge like to joke around a bit.Wand's shaping of the string/harp cadences in the 3rd mov't is exquisite IMHO and uniquely-so, that was my point.
Other conductors tend to treat the moment as if it's not that special. Considering the Wagnerian allusions to the Tristan love scene and Siegfried, and considering that Bruckner--for once-- allowed a little "immorality" to taint his Art ... I humbly believe a little TLC is appropriate!
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I like that Wand you linked, but wouldn't say the TLC he displays is unique in that spot (Boulez as a comparison for Bruckner?).
Check out Jochum at 5:00.
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I'm loving his Bartok with NYPO. I don't recall Jochum being as seraphic as Wand, (DGG) but will listen again. Have not heard his EMI. What I like about wand is that you can root of arpeggios.
That was a good combination, as was Boulez/Debussy/NYPO and Boulez/Ravel/NYPO. At least for the chosen few composers he felt were worthy, he could be a very enlightening conductor. And his distinctive approach can be sensed regardless of which orchestra he is leading.
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So when you said "only Wand gets the harps right", you were just joking around?
Hey - I (and other conductors besides Wand) like TLC too! ;-)
...use of canons. : )
Listen to the way he allows the music to breath. Exquisite.
still beautiful, but a bit too glossed-over for my tastes.
Can only have been played correctly by certain approved recordings, because arpeggios are so hard to play correctly.
Of course, they should be played without a hint of vibrato.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
In a post in the near future.
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Symphony. Neilsen felt the same way. (My apologies to fellow music lovers who have used their superior, rarified listening skills to discover--and/or already know-- that no other Bruckner symphony uses harps.)You shall "release?" Stop the presses!!!!!!!
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So - you got that from some liner notes. That's what I've always suspected about you. Most of your music "knowledge" comes from liner notes, rather than actual research - or an actual music education.
Did your liner notes tell you about how Bruckner arrived at scoring harps in the adagio of the 8th, or what he himself said about it?
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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but such putative knowledge is not "revelation."It comes across as condescending.
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