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In Reply to: RE: I can step aside if you really want to argue with yourself... posted by David Smith on November 17, 2015 at 20:11:51
That may very well be the way you meant it. It was hardly obvious to those of us who reside outside of your head.
Either way it was meant as a joke about who brought the word hotties into the conversation.
Sooooo much of this thread has been about making fun of the subject. If you are taking it all seriously I am genuinely sorry for the misunderstanding. I assure you that all of my comments have been meant to be fun, funny and in a few cases informative but none of them have been meant to be malicious towards you, other posters or women in general. I guess it is the nature of internet forums that such humor often falls between the cracks and posts are taken way too literally and waaaaaay too seriously.
I have no doubt that you are nice and decent guy who loves music as much as the rest of us and would be a cool dude to hang around with. I think maybe you and I and you and Chris just don't get each other in this format of communication.
Now as for my comment that the young good looking women I personally know who are classical musicians preferring to be called hotties or hot rather than babes I'd like to address a few points.
1. It was meant to be funny and ironic on it's face. Of course one might find it offensive if one is not getting that intention. I thought *that* was obvious. I guess it wasn't.
2. It is particularly ironic because it is also actually true. This is actually how they talk. It is current jargon among young folks these days. I assure you that telling a young attractive women that she is hot or calling her a hottie when done in the right context with the right level of personal familiarity is not degrading or objectifying. And most importantly it isn't taken that way by these young ladies. It's banter that actually happens without anyone being offended or feeling objectified. It is actually a compliment.
Believe me, the banter gets an awful lot more risque and downright offensive were it taken seriously. Calling one another hot or hottie is just scratching the surface compared to other things said in fun.
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Regarding your "hotties" post I did not see previous use of that on this thread so yes, missed the reference/humor and my apologies for that.I think you are right about this form of communication.
As for part 2 I am familiar with women, including a number who are notable performers. I am also quite familiar with how they feel about discussions of their looks accompanying discussions of their playing, particularly those that are considered more attractive. Of course the context matters a great deal and a compliment is worlds different than repeated experiences of their looks being mentioned and attached to any comments about their playing or career, a la "babe thread". While they probably wouldn't take offense to playful use of the term "hottie" from a personal friend, guys on an internet forum, not so much.
I appreciate the post, as in most cases I think we could get along fine in person, it's odd that it's so much different on the internet.
Dave
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